The "indoor" acoustic problem, as I see it, Lang, is architectural
and practical, rather than hopefully rational. I get the strong
impression that in typical Western homes, the ways in which rooms and
furniture are generally laid out obviate simple solutions to playback
of the type(s) being suggested here.
It is the same reason that four-channel discrete failed as a concept
during the late 60s and early 70s. It worked in Japan because the
room layout and spatial concepts are very different. But not in
Europe or N. America. Seduced early into embracing the idea, I
remember a jazz album Paul Beaver and I did for Warner Brothers
(Gandharva) - the first four-channel discrete music recording of its
kind done in 1971 in Grace Cathedral in San Francisco featuring the
late Gerry Mulligan (bari sax), Bud Shank (tenor and flute), Howard
Roberts (git), Gael Laughton on 2 concert harps (at the same time),
Paul on 5-manual organ, and me on Moog synth. all done in spectacular
surround. The disappointing fact was that no one in North America
could play the disk as it was intended because of the limitations
noted above. The older I get, the more I sense the importance of not
trying to replicate what happens in the wild natural in indoor
environments designed primarily to shut out that experience in the
first place. My thought for what it's worth: If ya wanna hear the
sound all around, then go to where it's happening and pay careful
attention to the spaces we've created specifically to place barriers
between us and it. If you're recording, create whatever illusion
engages your fancy, but remember Luc Ferry's axiom: "Nature is
beautiful when it imitates art."
Bernie
>Rich:
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>I assume you're playing this back using a typical 5.1 setup, but not using
>the front center speaker. I wonder what happens to imaging if you were to
>walk and talk around your array in a big circle. Then play the recording
>back indoors and see if what you hear resembles what actually happened (in
>other words, upon playback do you sound like you're circling around the
>array?). And can you also turn and face yourself as you walk and talk,
>without a breakdown of the imaging?
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>I'm looking for a miking and playback technique that reproduces as close as
>possible the actual experience; where individual soundmakers actually come
>from the directions in which they naturally occurred, and where the listener
>is free to turn in whatever direction he desires. This is what we can do
>outdoors, so why not indoors too?
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>Lang
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>--- In Lang Elliott <>
>wrote:
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>> And the Holophone design won't do this for me.
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>Agreed it won't do it for me either.
>If I wanted to mic a quartet and put the mic in the center then maybe.
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>I will just describe my personal favorite to add to the mix on this
>thread.
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>Critters are often found most dense in oval shaped territories.
>Often where there is a critter highway between two good land areas.
>This is why I started playing with linear arrays.
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>Try placement of a binaural (take your pick of sass, square barrier,
>million dollar man head, whatever) place that in the center or most
>important area you can find. Then, place two omni mics each 25 to 50
>feet out to the sides from the binaural to form a line. Exact spacing
>is determined based on loudness of the voice of individual callers
>and just listening for the sweet spots.
>
>The binaural is the left and right fronts, and the omnis are the
>rears.
>The benefit is a large area of capture where the rears expand the
>image from the fronts, add species density to the whole recording,
>and no channel gets in the way with any other.
>
>Rich Peet
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>A listening room is not nature."
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