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Re: for all you high end surround heads out there

Subject: Re: for all you high end surround heads out there
From: Walter Knapp <>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:16 -0400
From: Lang Elliott <>
> 
> Walt:
> 
> Actually, when a recording is rich in binaural cues, speakers that are
> directional perform better because they tend to reduce the effects of
> crosstalk (for stereo, such crosstalk has to do with the right ear hearing
> the left speaker and vice versa). If the recording itself captures the
> "ambience" of a place, then there is no need to bring room reflections into
> play.
> 
> I'm sure the magnaplans produce a spacious sound and feeling, but it would
> be artificial, meaning that it's not the same as what was actually
> experienced. It's like adding reverberation to increase the sense of
> spaciousness.
> 
> Does this sound correct?

Not necessarily correct, you are thinking entirely within the confines 
of conventional speakers. Magnaplans don't have any moving mass to speak 
of, so very accurately reproduce the signal they are given. But instead 
of being a focused point source resonating the cone like a regular 
speaker, they move a large area of air in a flat plane with this signal. 
Very significantly different than anything a regular speaker can 
produce. Their sound is pretty unique and accurate to the original sound 
signal. Many fine details speakers don't reproduce come through with 
magnaplans. If you managed to record them. Just the sort of details 
common in ambiance.

Magnaplans work best where there is no room reflection, in my opinion. 
Room reflections with them can produce phase problems that detract from 
their clean sound. In most setups where there are reflections to deal 
with they are set well away from reflecting surfaces. So just like 
regular speakers they would need little or no room reverberation for the 
type of material you are talking about.

Hard to convey if you have not heard them set up right. Mine are far 
from optimum. Though about as good as I could do given the room design.

Note I don't know if they would help or hinder a setup like yours, but 
I'd sure like to hear what they did with it if set up in a configuration 
optimized for it.

Magnaplans are not for everyone. Many are unhappy with the lack of 
speaker resonance, which shows up the most at the low end. So, often a 
system will have a conventional sub to mix enough of that in.

In your criteria you left out one part of my criteria for full surround, 
namely no sweet spot, or a very large one. You should be able to walk 
around in the room with the full effect being everywhere in any 
direction. That's going to be even tougher to meet than what you are 
trying. And I don't know if it can be done. But I'm pretty sure if it's 
done it's going to require area sources like the magnaplans. Or a bunch 
of speakers. Back to the wall of sound concept.

Walt




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