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Re: Sound editing & sonogram software on PC

Subject: Re: Sound editing & sonogram software on PC
From: Walter Knapp <>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:35:53 -0500
Lang Elliott wrote:
> The ultimate sonogram software will soon be available, but for a whopping
> $400. It is called Raven and is being produced by the Cornell Laboratory of
> Ornithology. It will be available later this month for Windows and sometime
> this summer for Mac OS X:
> 
> http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/Raven.html 

I've been watching this one, and it will be nice to see it finally out. 
So far what's been shown for sonograms is not all that impressive, not a 
lot of improvement over Canary. I'm waiting for the details. It is a 
huge amount of money for just a sonogram program, so one can hope there 
is a pretty full featured sound editor with appropriate filters for 
nature recording included. I doubt it's going to be running any of the 
standard sound plugin formats, so it's going to have to have it all 
onboard.

It is cheaper than Spark XL. I mostly use sonograms while filtering, or 
at least that's the most detailed use for me on a routine basis. Spark 
XL allows me to have a pretty detailed realtime sonogram while playing 
the sound and adjusting the filters. It has the capability of arranging 
a set of filters into a large complex to run simultaneously. The ability 
to do this allows adjusting the interactions of filters and not only 
listening, but seeing the effects on the sonogram as I go. This is quite 
different from just studying a single call on a fixed sonogram, which is 
what Raven appears to be designed for. And on top of that Spark XL will 
run quite a few standard sound filter plugin formats. Making the list of 
available filters large.

Raven might be useful for display sonograms for webpages. Almost have to 
try it to tell. Display sonograms are a different game from working 
sonograms. It is a little worrying that all their screen displays show 
the same, fairly narrow window for the sonogram graphic.

I don't think it will be the ultimate sonogram software for me. Though 
it might be useful. Particularly if it has some of the more detailed 
sonogram settings, ones too intensive for the realtime sonograms of 
Spark XL. The stuff for picking apart the small details of single calls. 
I want to see a lot more specs, and preferably a demo or so. See what 
happens when I feed it some of my files.

Note in the Future Versions page they are apparently currently keeping 
the entire soundfile in memory, and only future versions can support 
bigger files than memory. Most all the software we use is set up to 
buffer bigger files than fit in memory, it's been a long time since I 
used a memory limited sound program. And it's a little surprising that 
sample rate conversion has been left to the future, even very cheap 
sound software can do this. It is nice to see that someday the color 
pallet of the sonograms might be fully editable.

As I've noted, sound software reflects the interests of the group 
developing it. This does definitely give the feel of something developed 
for Bioacoustics research and their publications. Which is hardly the 
full scope of nature recording, or even it's primary focus anymore. It 
also seems dated, a fairly good program for when they started developing 
it, but sound software has evolved a lot in the last few years.

Walt




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