Another bivalve victim

To: Geoff Jones <>
Subject: Another bivalve victim
From: Gary Wright <>
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:58:15 +1030
I think it is time to stop banding.  it can't be argued that it does not
stress birds.  We know where waders go, what feeding points they need on
migration and this information is doing nothing to stop countries including
our own country from ruining habitat for commercial gain.  Banding and
stressing more birds is not going to fix the problem.


On 24 February 2013 16:13, Geoff Jones <> wrote:

> I for one think it is high time that the due process of banding birds is
> seriously looked at, especially with the technology that is becoming
> available such as radio transmitters and RFID tags which is what is used
> for
> racing pigeons even though at this stage it is rather expensive. Here is an
> excerpt from Wikipedia about such a thing ( The use of satellite
> transmitters for bird movements is currently restricted by transmitter size
> - to species larger than about 400g. They may be attached to migratory
> birds
> (geese, swans, cranes, penguins etc.) or other species such as penguins
> that
> undertake long-distance movements. Individuals may be tracked by satellites
> for immense distances, for the lifetime of the transmitter battery. As with
> wing tags, the transmitters may be designed to drop off when the bird
> moults; or they may be recovered by recapturing the bird )  and also about
> RFID Tags Radio-frequency identification (RFID) is the use of a wireless
> non-contact system that uses radio-frequency electromagnetic fields to
> transfer data from a tag attached to an object, for the purposes of
> automatic identification and tracking. Some tags require no battery and are
> powered and read at short ranges via magnetic fields (electromagnetic
> induction). Others use a local power source and emit radio waves
> (electromagnetic radiation at radio frequencies). The tag contains
> electronically stored information which may be read from up to several
> meters away. Unlike a bar code, the tag does not need to be within line of
> sight of the reader and may be embedded in the tracked object.
> RFID tags are used in many industries. An RFID tag attached to an
> automobile
> during production can be used to track its progress through the assembly
> line. Pharmaceuticals can be tracked through warehouses. Livestock and pets
> may have tags injected, allowing positive identification of the animal.
> Since RFID tags can be attached to clothing, possessions, or even implanted
> within people, the possibility of reading personally-linked information
> without consent has raised privacy concerns. If a fund was started to help
> this Technology advance so that they could be put on smaller birds I am
> sure
> that most of us who do not support the like of canon netting ( which is
> going on at this very moment up in Broome ) would gladly donate money to
> this cause. Before all the pro banding fraternity get on their band wagon
> just think about what I have said, and as for asking for information to
> find
> birds just get off your backsides and get out there instead of being a
> critical armchair birder. I know that this technology will still mean we
> have to capture some birds but not in the number that cannon netting does
> now!
> I know there has been plenty of debate about this subject but I believe it
> is time for a CHANGE.
> Kindest Regards
> Geoff Jones
> Website
> Slideshows
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Another bivalve victim
> It's always interesting to me that the pro-banding lobby argue that there
> is
> insufficient proof provided by opponents to justify claims that banding
> does
> more harm than good. I'd like to see the shoe on the other foot. How long
> have we been banding waders in Australia - fifty years maybe? How long does
> it take to establish the life expectancy of a Red-necked Stint or its
> migration patterns? If banding hasn't delivered the goods by now, so to
> speak, isn't it time to move on to a better practice or technology? What
> evidence is there that banding is actually doing anything to halt the
> wholesale destruction of wader habitat in Asia for example? There is
> unarguably an attrition rate with banding - maybe now is the time for
> banders to actually justify their existence as wader numbers continue to
> dwindle alarmingly.
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