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Fwd: names

To: Denise Goodfellow <>, Tone <>
Subject: Fwd: names
From: Greg and Val Clancy <>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:42:56 +0000
Hi Denise,

I agree.  We should change the name 'bandicoot' for our marsupials.  What do
you suggest? We have moved away from marsupial-mouse (now Dunnart,
Antechinus etc,) and rat-kangaroo (now Bettong), although the Musky
Rat-Kangaroo still retains that inappropriate name.  I discussed this with
Sue Gregory of Cassowary House recently and she suggested a name that
reflected its generic name Hypsiprymnodon.  I can't remember exactly what
she suggested but it may have been Musky Hypsi.

Regards

Greg

Dr Greg. P. Clancy
Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960
http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com
http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/



-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:28 AM
To: Tone
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Fwd: names

I guess the reaction would be similar if I told my Indian friends that I saw
a bandicoot in Australia.


Denise Lawungkurr  Goodfellow
PO Box 71
Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
043 8650 835







On 24 Jan 2017, at 8:12 pm, Tone <> wrote:

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>> From: Tone <>
>> Date: 24 January 2017 at 20:15:29 AEDT
>> To: Tony Russell <>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] names
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>> Hi Tony
>> I am neither an academic nor a re-namer, I don't have a trumpet to blow,
>> and I certainly don't need to be noticed. I just like to be understood
>> when I communicate. If I told my Brazilian friends that I saw a Jabiru in
>> Australia they would have a giggle because Jabiru mycteria, the only
>> species in the genus Jabiru, is endemic to South and Central America.
>> Also, Black-necked Stork is not a new name, having been the official name
>> for our bird for over a century.
>>
>> If you want to call a table a chair because that's what you learned when
>> you were a kiddie, then so be it, but you will only be understood by your
>> those who know you.
>>
>> Just sayin'
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Tony Gibson
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 18:10, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think these would be "re-namers" are just blowing their own trumpets
>>> to gain a little notice. Forget it folks, keep using the names we all
>>> grew up with, we don't NEED any new names thank you academia.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf
>>> Of michael hunter
>>> Sent: 23 January 2017 16:57
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] names
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>>> Once again a few academics, mostly not Australian, if not Un-Australian,
>>> are foisting otherworldly names onto us Aussie birders.
>>>
>>> Common names , NOT ENGLISH names, for Australian birds are names
>>> commonly used by about 99% of Australian birdwatchers for our birds. It
>>> is appalling that colourless English names like Black-necked Stork have
>>> been inflicted on us by a few pseudo-academics who are presumably
>>> incapable of memorising Scientific names.  Jabiru may be the common name
>>> of a South American Stork, but changing the official “common” name for
>>> any birdwatcher witless enough to confuse the two in the field was an
>>> amazing arrogance. One justification was that people reading birdguides
>>> will be confused in not justified.
>>>
>>> These people are meddling with our Australian common names, which are ,
>>> or were, spontaneous non-scientific vernacular.
>>> Among many examples, “Jabiru” and “Torres Straits Pigeon” had romantic
>>> (in the broad sense folks) connotations lost in the bland generics we
>>> are told to use instead. As a youth my first sighting of the legendary
>>> Jabiru was very exciting, and stimulated a life-long interest in
>>> Birding.  Seeing a Black-necked Stork would not have.
>>>
>>> “Willy Fantail”   They must be joking.
>>>
>>>       Resist.
>>>
>>>              Michael
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