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Fwd: names

To: Greg <>
Subject: Fwd: names
From: Denise Goodfellow <>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:24:37 +0000
Greg,  as Sue Gregory has alluded to, a  “common” name already exists for all 
these animals, in the form of their scientific binomials.   All we need to do 
is find an acceptable abbreviation.  We could have great fun playing around 
with Ephippiorhynchus asiaticus (Ephippi?) and Isoodon macrourus, for example.

By the way the Kunwinjku name for Northern Brown Bandicoot is Yok.

Regards

Denise

Denise Lawungkurr  Goodfellow
PO Box 71
Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
043 8650 835




On 25 Jan 2017, at 9:12 am, Greg and Val Clancy <> wrote:

> Hi Denise,
>
> I agree.  We should change the name 'bandicoot' for our marsupials.  What do 
> you suggest? We have moved away from marsupial-mouse (now Dunnart, Antechinus 
> etc,) and rat-kangaroo (now Bettong), although the Musky Rat-Kangaroo still 
> retains that inappropriate name.  I discussed this with Sue Gregory of 
> Cassowary House recently and she suggested a name that reflected its generic 
> name Hypsiprymnodon.  I can't remember exactly what she suggested but it may 
> have been Musky Hypsi.
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg. P. Clancy
> Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
> PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
> 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960
> http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com
> http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:28 AM
> To: Tone
> Cc: birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: names
>
> I guess the reaction would be similar if I told my Indian friends that I saw 
> a bandicoot in Australia.
>
>
> Denise Lawungkurr  Goodfellow
> PO Box 71
> Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
> 043 8650 835
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Jan 2017, at 8:12 pm, Tone <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>>> From: Tone <>
>>> Date: 24 January 2017 at 20:15:29 AEDT
>>> To: Tony Russell <>
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] names
>>>
>>> Hi Tony
>>> I am neither an academic nor a re-namer, I don't have a trumpet to blow, 
>>> and I certainly don't need to be noticed. I just like to be understood when 
>>> I communicate. If I told my Brazilian friends that I saw a Jabiru in 
>>> Australia they would have a giggle because Jabiru mycteria, the only 
>>> species in the genus Jabiru, is endemic to South and Central America. Also, 
>>> Black-necked Stork is not a new name, having been the official name for our 
>>> bird for over a century.
>>>
>>> If you want to call a table a chair because that's what you learned when 
>>> you were a kiddie, then so be it, but you will only be understood by your 
>>> those who know you.
>>>
>>> Just sayin'
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Tony Gibson
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 18:10, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think these would be "re-namers" are just blowing their own trumpets to 
>>>> gain a little notice. Forget it folks, keep using the names we all grew up 
>>>> with, we don't NEED any new names thank you academia.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf 
>>>> Of michael hunter
>>>> Sent: 23 January 2017 16:57
>>>> To: 
>>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] names
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again a few academics, mostly not Australian, if not Un-Australian, 
>>>> are foisting otherworldly names onto us Aussie birders.
>>>>
>>>> Common names , NOT ENGLISH names, for Australian birds are names commonly 
>>>> used by about 99% of Australian birdwatchers for our birds. It is 
>>>> appalling that colourless English names like Black-necked Stork have been 
>>>> inflicted on us by a few pseudo-academics who are presumably incapable of 
>>>> memorising Scientific names.  Jabiru may be the common name of a South 
>>>> American Stork, but changing the official “common” name for any 
>>>> birdwatcher witless enough to confuse the two in the field was an amazing 
>>>> arrogance. One justification was that people reading birdguides will be 
>>>> confused in not justified.
>>>>
>>>> These people are meddling with our Australian common names, which are , or 
>>>> were, spontaneous non-scientific vernacular.
>>>> Among many examples, “Jabiru” and “Torres Straits Pigeon” had romantic (in 
>>>> the broad sense folks) connotations lost in the bland generics we are told 
>>>> to use instead. As a youth my first sighting of the legendary Jabiru was 
>>>> very exciting, and stimulated a life-long interest in Birding.  Seeing a 
>>>> Black-necked Stork would not have.
>>>>
>>>> “Willy Fantail”   They must be joking.
>>>>
>>>>      Resist.
>>>>
>>>>             Michael
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