Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia marketing?

To: Maris Lauva <>
Subject: Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia marketing?
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 04:19:00 +0000
I will keep it in mind, Maris, when I have some spare cash. I did a similar 
donation to a Gluepot building project.


> On 8 Dec 2015, at 2:09 PM, Maris Lauva <> wrote:
> In response to Carl's comments donations can be made direct to Birdlife WA 
> Great Western Woodlands project and every cent will go towards the project.
> Maris Lauv
> ________________________________________
> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Carl 
> Clifford <>
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2015 10:05 AM
> To: Fred Mack
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia    
> marketing?
> It looks like BLA has hired marketeers from the pester school of marketing, 
> whose technique seems to be based on the tenet that if they keep on dunning 
> you, you will donate, in the hope that they will go away. Unfortunately, they 
> don't, they just see a sucker and come in for more. I have just changed ISP's 
> and they are the same, ringing me 3-4 times a week, usually at meal times, 
> trying to sell me their mobile phone packages.
> What worries me about this style of marketing by charities,such as BLA, is 
> the percentage of donations that are absorbed by marketing, in the form of 
> salaries, printing and postage etc. It has got to the point with mainstream 
> charities such as the Salvos, St Vinnies, that I no longer donate, because I 
> know that the majority of my donations will not go to whom I am hoping to 
> help. I only now donate to causes where I know my mony is really going to 
> make a difference.
> Cheers,
> Carl Clifford
>> On 7 Dec 2015, at 10:09 PM, Fred Mack <> wrote:
>> “With numbers down 84%...  how long before the Lesser Sand Plover is extinct?
>> “This Silent Shorebirds Crisis can’t continue.”
>> Silent crisis? seriously, it’s been at the forefront of ornithology for 10 
>> years hasn't it… are BirdLife Australia just realizing this?.. and is this 
>> actually true? Given these people have recently said in similar marketing 
>> 90% of Australia’s woodlands have been cleared in the past few decades, we 
>> need to protect private land for Mallee- Emu-wrens (they never occured on 
>> private land as far as I know) and Magpies are going extinct, you have to 
>> wonder?
>> I’ve supported this organization in the past to the tune of tens of 
>> thousands and all I get is constant negative doomsday marketing trying to 
>> guilt me into things. They must send me a dozen a year. Add to that a 
>> massive and insultingly invasive, “supporter survey” asking me everything 
>> from my income to where live!
>> These people do wonderful actual conservation and research work - I know I 
>> help with much of it and they are great! but for god’s sake who is running 
>> this organization these days?
>> Is anyone else totally sick of them or is it just me?
>> Frank.
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