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From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
James Mustafa
Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2015 3:52 PM
To: martin cachard
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Subject: Flycatcher ID help
Martin! Never ever fix your keyboard!!
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James Mustafa
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> On 18 Jan 2015, at 2:40 pm, martin cachard <> wrote:
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> Chris, I dom't have the orig mail so cam't amswer that. ut recall it veimg
rather ovious at the time...sorry, m.cachard
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> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:50:10 -0600
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
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> Hi Martin,
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> So which photo are you thinking shows you the length of the outer
> rectrix? What exactly are you judging that from?
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> It would be a lot better if we could make the call on more than
> one, uncorrelated feature, though that may not be an option. May
> well be a Leaden, but I'm not sure it's that simple.
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> Cheers, Chris.
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> On 1/17/2015 4:49 PM, martin cachard wrote:
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> hey Chris,
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> the outer retrices would ve markedly graduated as well if it
> were a Vroad-villed... forget vout the lores, the tail shows
> more tham emough to ve diamostic for Leadem...cheers m.cachard
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>> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:48:44 -0600
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>> From:
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>> To:
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>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
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>> I'm not sure it is quite that simple!
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>> I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found
> in males.
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>> As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly
> what is going
>
>> on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might
> be completely
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>> white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a
> consistent
>
>> feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There
> does seem some
>
>> suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right
> side, which might
>
>> not be so good for Leaden.
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>
>> That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather
> confusing with
>
>> respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either
> a lot of
>
>> rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are
> growing in, which
>
>> might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just
> not sure what
>
>> those feathers on the left are - rectrices or the far
> wing turned inside
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>> out!
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>> Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a
> young bird?
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>> I think it could do with some more discussion!
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>> Cheers, Chris.
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>> On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote:
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>>> Hello Joseph,
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>>> The first of your pics is remarkably good for a
> hand-held digiscope setup.
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>
>>> Martin is correct - the lack of pale lores and the
> even length rectrices make it a Leaden Flycatcher - Broad
> -bills have graduated tail feathers and pale lores.
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>>> The heavily tumoured gape make it a very young bird.
> An ideal diagnostic picture would have been with the bird
> front-on and we would have seen the central rectrices which
> are all white in the Broad-billed.
>
>
>>> There's a good range of pictures dealing with this
> issue on my website - www.graemechapman.com.au
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>>> Cheers
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>>> Graeme Chapman
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