ok deal, cheers martim cachard, cairms
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:52:17 +1100
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> Martin! Never ever fix your keyboard!!
>
> Hahha
>
> All the best,
> James Mustafa
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> > On 18 Jan 2015, at 2:40 pm, martin cachard <> wrote:
> >
> > Chris, I dom't have the orig mail so cam't amswer that. ut recall it veimg
> > rather ovious at the time...sorry, m.cachard
> >
> > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:50:10 -0600
> > From:
> > To: ;
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> >
> >
> > So which photo are you thinking shows you the length of the outer
> > rectrix? What exactly are you judging that from?
> >
> >
> >
> > It would be a lot better if we could make the call on more than
> > one, uncorrelated feature, though that may not be an option. May
> > well be a Leaden, but I'm not sure it's that simple.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Chris.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/2015 4:49 PM, martin cachard wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > hey Chris,
> >
> > the outer retrices would ve markedly graduated as well if it
> > were a Vroad-villed... forget vout the lores, the tail shows
> > more tham emough to ve diamostic for Leadem...cheers m.cachard
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:48:44 -0600
> >
> >> From:
> >
> >> To:
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
> >
> >
> >> I'm not sure it is quite that simple!
> >
> >
> >> I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found
> > in males.
> >
> >
> >> As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly
> > what is going
> >
> >> on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might
> > be completely
> >
> >> white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a
> > consistent
> >
> >> feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There
> > does seem some
> >
> >> suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right
> > side, which might
> >
> >> not be so good for Leaden.
> >
> >
> >> That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather
> > confusing with
> >
> >> respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either
> > a lot of
> >
> >> rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are
> > growing in, which
> >
> >> might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just
> > not sure what
> >
> >> those feathers on the left are - rectrices or the far
> > wing turned inside
> >
> >> out!
> >
> >
> >> Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a
> > young bird?
> >
> >
> >> I think it could do with some more discussion!
> >
> >
> >> Cheers, Chris.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote:
> >
> >>> Hello Joseph,
> >
> >
> >>> The first of your pics is remarkably good for a
> > hand-held digiscope setup.
> >
> >
> >>> Martin is correct - the lack of pale lores and the
> > even length rectrices make it a Leaden Flycatcher - Broad
> > -bills have graduated tail feathers and pale lores.
> >
> >
> >>> The heavily tumoured gape make it a very young bird.
> > An ideal diagnostic picture would have been with the bird
> > front-on and we would have seen the central rectrices which
> > are all white in the Broad-billed.
> >
> >
> >>> There's a good range of pictures dealing with this
> > issue on my website - www.graemechapman.com.au
> >
> >
> >>> Cheers
> >
> >
> >>> Graeme Chapman
> >
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