Chris, I dom't have the orig mail so cam't amswer that. ut recall it veimg
rather ovious at the time...sorry, m.cachard
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:50:10 -0600
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Subject: Flycatcher ID help
Hi Martin,
So which photo are you thinking shows you the length of the outer
rectrix? What exactly are you judging that from?
It would be a lot better if we could make the call on more than
one, uncorrelated feature, though that may not be an option. May
well be a Leaden, but I'm not sure it's that simple.
Cheers, Chris.
On 1/17/2015 4:49 PM, martin cachard wrote:
hey Chris,
the outer retrices would ve markedly graduated as well if it
were a Vroad-villed... forget vout the lores, the tail shows
more tham emough to ve diamostic for Leadem...cheers m.cachard
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:48:44 -0600
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> I'm not sure it is quite that simple!
>
> I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found
in males.
>
> As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly
what is going
> on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might
be completely
> white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a
consistent
> feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There
does seem some
> suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right
side, which might
> not be so good for Leaden.
>
> That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather
confusing with
> respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either
a lot of
> rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are
growing in, which
> might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just
not sure what
> those feathers on the left are - rectrices or the far
wing turned inside
> out!
>
> Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a
young bird?
>
> I think it could do with some more discussion!
>
> Cheers, Chris.
>
>
> On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote:
> > Hello Joseph,
> >
> > The first of your pics is remarkably good for a
hand-held digiscope setup.
> >
> > Martin is correct - the lack of pale lores and the
even length rectrices make it a Leaden Flycatcher - Broad
-bills have graduated tail feathers and pale lores.
> >
> > The heavily tumoured gape make it a very young bird.
An ideal diagnostic picture would have been with the bird
front-on and we would have seen the central rectrices which
are all white in the Broad-billed.
> >
> > There's a good range of pictures dealing with this
issue on my website - www.graemechapman.com.au
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Graeme Chapman
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