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Flycatcher ID help

To: martin cachard <>
Subject: Flycatcher ID help
From: James Mustafa <>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:52:17 +1100
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> On 18 Jan 2015, at 2:40 pm, martin cachard <> wrote:
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> Chris, I dom't have the orig mail so cam't amswer that. ut recall it veimg 
> rather ovious  at the time...sorry, m.cachard
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> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:50:10 -0600
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
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>    Hi Martin, 
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>      So which photo are you thinking shows you the length of the outer
>      rectrix? What exactly are you judging that from? 
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>      It would be a lot better if we could make the call on more than
>      one, uncorrelated feature, though that may not be an option. May
>      well be a Leaden, but I'm not sure it's that simple.
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>      Cheers, Chris.
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>      On 1/17/2015 4:49 PM, martin cachard wrote:
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>      hey Chris,
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>        the outer retrices would ve markedly graduated as well if it
>        were a Vroad-villed... forget vout the lores, the tail shows
>        more tham emough to ve diamostic for Leadem...cheers m.cachard
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>> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:48:44 -0600
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>> From: 
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>> To: 
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>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
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>> I'm not sure it is quite that simple!
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> 
>> I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found
>          in males.
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>> As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly
>          what is going 
> 
>> on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might
>          be completely 
> 
>> white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a
>          consistent 
> 
>> feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There
>          does seem some 
> 
>> suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right
>          side, which might 
> 
>> not be so good for Leaden.
> 
> 
>> That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather
>          confusing with 
> 
>> respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either
>          a lot of 
> 
>> rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are
>          growing in, which 
> 
>> might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just
>          not sure what 
> 
>> those feathers on the left are - rectrices or the far
>          wing turned inside 
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>> out!
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>> Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a
>          young bird?
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>> I think it could do with some more discussion!
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> 
>> Cheers, Chris.
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>> On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote:
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>>> Hello Joseph,
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>>> The first of your pics is remarkably good for a
>          hand-held digiscope setup.
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>>> Martin is correct - the lack of pale lores and the
>          even length rectrices make it a Leaden Flycatcher - Broad
>          -bills have graduated tail feathers and pale lores.
> 
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>>> The heavily tumoured gape make it a very young bird.
>          An ideal diagnostic picture would have been with the bird
>          front-on and we would have seen the central rectrices which
>          are all white in the Broad-billed.
> 
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>>> There's a good range of pictures dealing with this
>          issue on my website - www.graemechapman.com.au
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>>> Cheers
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>>> Graeme Chapman
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