Hi Jude,
You're not alone, I think all of us subscribe to birding-aus because we all
have (at least deep down) that childish fascination with birds.
And really we're all beginners at one level or another, you never stop learning
in any field, but regarding nature, it's like every day is Christmas morning
for us.
There are different personalities in the group and it sometimes means that the
words don't always come through softly even when the author means it that way,
you can't change what others say only our own response.
A little on personalities. Every field is a blend of heart and mind, some
appear a little heavy on the intellectual side of the discipline, but that
doesn't mean they're not birders at heart. I see some folk apologising for
being a beginner, when they feel a little over-awed by the intellectual side of
birding being share on the forum, what a sad state of affairs.
Don't be disheartened if you're a beginner, if every Australian took up birding
we wouldn't be descending into the loss of empathy for the environment that
some of the community seems to be fostering at the moment. Perhaps it says a
little about the breadth of difference in what society deems as civilised.......
I remember Roger Tory Peterson once saying how when birds became a chore, i.e.
because he was tied to his drawing board for weeks on end, the only way to
revive was to go out and look at living birds.
The trip reports do just that, they are a tonic for the heart of a birder, so
long may they be shared and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Happy Birding
Allan Richardson
Morisset NSW
On 16/04/2013, at 6:08 PM, Jude Latt wrote:
>
> I am such a beginner in this world of birds ...
> but I love them. And I'm very hard on myself at gaining a tick.
> I've been 'watching' now since Feb 2000 and I've only managed 402 birds.
> But I'm stoked at that.
>
>
> I love this mailing list ... I read everything, even though I understand
> little
> when it comes to genetics and the like. Actually, I understand less than
> little.
> But still I read in the hope that something sinks in.
>
>
> I love it when people post there reports.
> I learn so much from their blogs.
> And as I'm an oldie .. and get to travel a bit now and then,
> I so rely on people posting trip reports.
> Please, keep them coming. I read them all.
>
>
> Jude
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david taylor <>
> To: Birding-Aus aus <>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 15, 2013 8:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mundane & useless threads
>
>
>> Paul Dodd wrote "In fact, I was criticised for posting trip reports
> recently too"
>
>
> If people like Paul Dodd and others stop posting trip reports and useful
> commentary on their birding adventures Birding-aus really wont be worth
> subscribing to! How anyone could be critical of Paul ( and others) generous
> details on their trips is hard to fathom!
>
> David Taylor
>
>
>
> On 15/04/2013, at 8:20 AM, Paul Dodd wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I thought I'd stay out of this conversation thread as I can't really abide
> another discussion on capitalisation and grammar - HOWEVER, when the
> conversation turned to bullying I felt that I had to participate.
>>
>> I have seen many postings over the years that I think are, at the very
>> least,
> rude - if not stepping over the line towards bullying - I won't give the
> precise
> examples here but they invariably occur around two topics - requests for
> assistance with ID, and requests for information/assistance regarding birding
> and birding locations, and generally these postings are from relative
> newcomers
> to the list. Oftentimes the replies are helpful and encouraging, but from
> time-to-time the replies are hostile. Replies to requests for ID suggesting
> that
> people have better things to do than substitute for field guides, for example.
>>
>> I see any forum (and birding-aus is a forum) as a collaborative experience -
> where people should be able to post a request, or post a reply, without
> having
> any fear of being attacked. To be honest, I have tended to adopt the
> principle
> that I will post trip reports and other pieces of information, but not engage
> in
> the conversations because I don't want the grief. In fact, I was criticised
> for
> posting trip reports recently too, which makes me think that maybe I'll stop
> doing that too. I should point out that in my experience, much of the
> bullying
> and criticism is offline - which I find worrying as it is covert, and we'll
> never know the extent of it.
>>
>> Paul Dodd
>> Docklands, Victoria
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>>
> On Behalf Of Robert Inglis
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2013 9:37 PM
>> To: Birding-Aus
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Mundane & useless threads
>>
>> Philip, (of Philip, Kylie, Joshua, Noah) if you feel I have bullied you in
>> any
> way and particularly by responding to your previous posting (which I believe
> was
> to ask for birding advice) by correcting your spelling and bird names please
> accept this public apology.
>> I must admit I am completely unaware of how that could have happened and, if
> it did, I am truly sorry.
>>
>> There certainly is activity on BirdingAus from time to time which could
>> easily
> be construed as “bullying” and I have sometimes felt some of it was directed
> at
> me.
>> A lot of the threads on BirdingAus could easily be classified as “mundane &
> useless” depending on your point of view but that is not a characteristic
> exclusive to BirdingAus; it simply reflects the society we live in.
>>
>> Forums such as BirdingAus should be places where opinions are freely
>> expressed
> and argued but there is never any place for abuse and bullying.
>>
>> Bob Inglis
>> Sandstone Point
>> Qld
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