Quite agree Sonja - whilst clearly captive stuff is usually not tickable,
anything wild (which often flies in and out of the cages - eg Red-browed
Finches at Serendip Sanctuary) I regard as perfectly tickable. But I think
the question was more about ticking birds from breeding programs that have
been released. If they are free to come and go and are breeding in the wild
then I would say yes. (If anyone disagrees then I would ask you to question
any OBP, Regent HE etc sightings you may have made). Even things like Kiwi
which cannot fly are possibly "tickable" in my book - Zealandia (a great
place to visit) is basically an island surrounded by a fence not water, and
if you can tick a Kiwi on an island where it may have
been reintroduced then how different is this place?
On 26 November 2012 16:05, Sonja Ross <> wrote:
> Hi gentlemen,
>
> Regarding zoos, I think your view is slightly restrictive, as these days
> zoos are often well vegetated and attract wild, free birds that just pass
> through or benefit from seeds etc intended for display animals/birds.
>
> For example, at the Australia Zoo, we saw on one scarlet bottlebrush
> outside any caged area, Blue-faced and Scarlet Honeyeaters, Little
> Friarbirds and Nosiy Miners. I'm interested to know if you would leave
> them off your list if they were the first and only time you saw them on a
> flying visit to Brisbane, for example, and you hadn't seen them before?
>
> It's all a bit challenging, especially in view of Nikolas' 1st paragraph
> which I tend to agree with.
>
> Sonja
>
> On 26/11/2012, at 3:52 PM, Nikolas Haass wrote:
>
> > Hi Koren,
> >
> > With regards to NZ, I personally think that it is much more fun to see
> birds in their natural habitat (even though it is man-made natural habitat)
> than in degraded habitat dominated by European tree monocultures and lawns.
> So, even if these birds are (re-)introduced, to Tiritiri, Kapiti, Zealandia
> etc. the actual experience there is much more 'real' than seeing the same
> species in their natural range in 'unreal' habitat. I thought that birding
> the North Island is very depressive since the majority of the place is
> destroyed, same accounts for large parts of the South Island, too :-(
> >
> > Of course, I also wouldn't "carry my little black book into a zoo",
> Alistair! Although I remember that as a kid I 'ticked' a number of wild
> American birds attracted to the great conditions in an African Safari Park
> near San Diego.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nikolas
> >
> > ----------------
> > Nikolas Haass
> >
> > Sydney, NSW
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Alistair McKeough <>
> > To: Koren Mitchell <>
> > Cc: "" <>
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Can I tick these birds?
> >
> > Only you can decide.
> >
> > I've seen Gouldian Finch at Mareeba Wetlands. 50 meters later I got to
> the
> > "cage" where birds can enter and leave. Scratching.
> >
> > Personally, when I'm heading to a zoo (or other form of "sanctuary") I
> have
> > don't even carry my little black book.
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 November 2012 14:12, Koren Mitchell <> wrote:
> >
> >> I know, I know, always a question that provokes discussion, but I
> thought
> >> I'd ask anyway. Not wanting to argue, just interested in people's
> opinions.
> >>
> >> I'm currently in Wellington and just got back from a trip to Zealandia
> >> sanctuary. This is a place on the outskirts of Wellington where they
> have
> >> built a predator-proof fence and reintroduced some of the species that
> were
> >> originally there, as well as a couple from other parts of the country.
> >> These birds are free-flying (apart from the takahe which is flightless)
> and
> >> most have now been breeding in the sanctuary for between 5 and 10 years.
> >>
> >> So, can I legitimately count on my life list the birds that I saw in the
> >> sanctuary (apart from the takahe which I wouldn't count as it is
> definitely
> >> 'in captivity')? Is seeing the birds in this sanctuary any different
> from
> >> going to Kapiti Island, where many of the same birds have been
> reintroduced?
> >>
> >> Regards, Koren
> >>
> >> Koren Mitchell
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> ===============================
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
> >> send the message:
> >> unsubscribe
> >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> >> to:
> >>
> >> http://birding-aus.org
> >> ===============================
> >>
> > ===============================
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
> > send the message:
> > unsubscribe
> > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> > to:
> >
> > http://birding-aus.org
> > ===============================
> > ===============================
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
> > send the message:
> > unsubscribe
> > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> > to:
> >
> > http://birding-aus.org
> > ===============================
>
> ===============================
>
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
> send the message:
> unsubscribe
> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
> to:
>
> http://birding-aus.org
> ===============================
>
===============================
To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
send the message:
unsubscribe
(in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
to:
http://birding-aus.org
===============================
|
