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Can I tick these birds?

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Subject: Can I tick these birds?
From: Clive Nealon <>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:10:10 -0500 (EST)
I would suggest the description 'birder' hardly fits...


Regards, Clive.



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From: Ed Williams <>
To: colonelboris <>; birding-aus 
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Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:00 pm
Subject: Can I tick these birds?


Tony,
I have always thought the way you segregated introduced-species into a separate 
list had tones of an earlier era when Nelson Mandela was still in prison...
However at least you acknowledge they exist.  I know of a birder who point 
blank 
refuses to acknowledge that Feral Pigeons/Rock Pigeons/Rock Doves (whatever you 
choose to call them) actually exist in Australia.  Won't even report them on 
Birdata mapping surveys - which hardly helps monitor the birds properly!

Cheers,
Ed



> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:41:28 +0000
> From: 
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Can I tick these birds?
> 
> Hi Koren (and everyone else),
> 
> Generally speaking, it's your list, so your rules. I think that if you 
> tick a House Sparrow in Melbourne, then you're also fine to tick 
> anything translocated in New Zealand.
>   I have a couple of friends who consider me to have a fascist list 
> policy in that I don't tick introduced species (I keep them on a 
> separate list), so I finally added Spotted Dove and Common Myna last 
> week when passing through Singapore, rather than ticking them in 
> Sydney.  However, I understand that makes me a bit odd...
> Sadly, it looks like being a very long time until I can add something to 
> my Australian list as I'm now in the cold dark islands of the North for 
> at least the next two years.  I'm just quite pleased that my last 
> Australian tick was an Australian Bittern!
> Cheers,
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> On 26/11/2012 03:12, Koren Mitchell wrote:
> > I know, I know, always a question that provokes discussion, but I thought 
I'd ask anyway. Not wanting to argue, just interested in people's opinions.
> >
> > I'm currently in Wellington and just got back from a trip to Zealandia 
sanctuary. This is a place on the outskirts of Wellington where they have built 
a predator-proof fence and reintroduced some of the species that were 
originally 
there, as well as a couple from other parts of the country. These birds are 
free-flying (apart from the takahe which is flightless) and most have now been 
breeding in the sanctuary for between 5 and 10 years.
> >
> > So, can I legitimately count on my life list the birds that I saw in the 
sanctuary (apart from the takahe which I wouldn't count as it is definitely 'in 
captivity')? Is seeing the birds in this sanctuary any different from going to 
Kapiti Island, where many of the same birds have been reintroduced?
> >
> > Regards, Koren
> >
> > Koren Mitchell
> > Sent from my iPad
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