Hi All,
I bought a copy of the first edition of Thomas and Thomas just few years ago,
and have found it very useful. I'v also recently bought a copy of the latest
edition, as my previous comment made clear. I expect it will be very useful,
too (can't wait to get out and try out some of their sites!)
However, rather than trying to be negative or nitpicking, my comments about the
Yumbarra Conservation area were really meant to be a bit of a warning to people
not to expect every detail (in either of the books, or anything similar) to be
100% accurate. They are a fantastic guide, but only a guide, and there are
bound to be mistakes. I always find it very helpful with whatever guides I'm
relying on if people who have some experience with it can point out to me any
minor errors to be wary of.
Cheers,
John Tongue
Ulverstone, Tas.
On 23/03/2011, at 8:02 PM, Chris Sanderson wrote:
> Carl and Tony,
>
> You may not feel what you said was particularly negative, however I agree
> with Rob in that, had I known nothing about the book, I would have walked
> away from the thread thinking "I'm not buying that, it sounds useless".
> Possibly not your intent but I think that it would be sad if people
> deprived themselves of even looking into the book because of the complete
> lack of anything positive said on Birding-Aus. Having not read the new
> version yet I'll reserve judgement til I have seen it, but I know a lot of
> birders without the experience that Tony and Carl have will probably
> appreciate a site guide that makes finding new birds a little easier. I
> know nearly all my close birding colleagues used the original version
> extensively and I was almost tempted to go looking for an out of print copy
> somewhere til I heard it was being updated. By all means use other sites
> but I think for those new to the hobby and for those coming from overseas
> site guides are invaluable and extremely time-saving.
>
> Regards,
> Chris Sanderson
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Carl Clifford <>wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> I have just re-read my post several times. I am at a loss to see where I
>> picked holes or criticised the new edition of T&T. I believe I only stated
>> that "I will stick with Birdata, Eremaea and B-A's archives if I wish to
>> discover where a particular species may be found or what species are at a
>> particular location". I was stating my personal choice. In actual fact, I
>> seldom try to find out what species have been found at the locations at
>> which I bird. If I do, I use the on-line resources. I am just happy with
>> what I see. I also seldom go to the "regular" birding sites, preferring to
>> look for less birded areas. But that is my method of birding, I am not even
>> sure, nor care, how many species I have seen the last time I bothered
>> totting up, it was getting near the third millenary.
>>
>> Carl Clifford
>>
>>
>> On 23/03/2011, at 4:22 PM, robert morris wrote:
>>
>>
>> Carl, Tony et al.
>> It is always easy to pick holes and criticise - especially when you've used
>> the old T&T and seen everything, or know about and have access to all these
>> other resources. I'd be interested to know if you've actually even seen a
>> copy? As you wrote Tony 'If one used the first edition exhaustively and
>> went to every location recommended, as I did myself' - this in my mind is a
>> ringing endorsement for the book for many others who are looking for places
>> to go to look for specific species!
>> Paul (Walbridge) and I noted a few 'issues' with the Southport Pelagic
>> write up - but it was still good it got a write up and it was better than
>> the original 2 or 3 lines Richard and Sarah put together! There are always
>> going to be a few errors in such books - and elements of books like this go
>> out of date as soon as they are published.
>> But on the other side of the equation (a more balanced view perhaps) - the
>> book makes a positive contribution to promoting birding and ornithology in
>> Australia and there will (hopefully) be plenty of budding young
>> ornithologists and foreign visitors who use this, as others used the first
>> T&T in the past, to develop a passion for birding.
>> There's a lot of good stuff in this book and I think that almost writing it
>> off because of one or two errors or omissions is a little premature. I have
>> the old version and have been to most the places in it. There are only a
>> handful of endemics I haven't seen. But I have bought the new version too -
>> it is interesting to look at what has and what hasn't changed, and the new
>> sites there are around for some species etc. etc.
>> I guess it depends on your outlook!
>> Rob Morris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>> To: ;
>>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:56:46 +1030
>>> CC: ;
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition.
>>>
>>> If one used the first edition exhaustively and went to every location
>>> recommended, as I did myself with other SA birders, there can't be too
>>> many
>>> new places for the new edition to cover. I sold my original once it was
>>> out
>>> of print and had served its purpose.
>>>
>>> I'm with Carl on this. And if it's got errors like the Yumbarra one where
>>> you should go through the gate at the end of Foggo's Rd before turning
>>> left
>>> ( then travel 2.1km along the fence before turning right up a poorly
>>> marked
>>> narrow track etc), Hm!
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> On Behalf Of Carl
>>> Clifford
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:05 AM
>>> To: John Tongue
>>> Cc: Birding-Aus; Robert Inglis
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition.
>>>
>>> I am glad I did not rush out and buy T&T. I am always wary of books
>>> with "Complete" in their titles anyway. I think I will stick with
>>> Birdata, Eremaea and B-A's archives if I wish to discover where a
>>> particular species may be found or what species are at a particular
>>> location. Much more up to date.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Carl Clifford
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/03/2011, at 9:43 AM, John Tongue wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> We found a few minor discrepancies in the info for Yumbarra
>>> Conservation Reserve in SA. Nothing too major, but it could be
>>> confusing when the notes say to turn left at the Dog fence before
>>> travelling a few km to the gate through the fence, when the gate is
>>> actually at the point Foggo's Road reaches the dog fence. Apart from
>>> that, just a few name discrepancies. in this listing.
>>>
>>> HAven't really tried out many of the others - though I did note Bob's
>>> point about the unusual way Tasmania is sometimes handled!! (Didn't
>>> want to appear too testy, or mention Brisbane Commonwealth Games :)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John Tongue
>>> Ulverstone, Tas.
>>>
>>> On 22/03/2011, at 7:14 PM, Robert Inglis wrote:
>>>
>>> An interesting makeover but Tasmanians must be a little confused.
>>>> There seems to be some doubt about whether Tasmania is part of
>>>> Australia or, in fact, a separate country.
>>>> I thought we worked this sort of thing out a long time ago.
>>>>
>>>> Check out the Bird Finder Guide for the Striated Pardalote and
>>>> Eastern Spinebill entries.
>>>> Or Horsfield's Bronze-Cuckoo and Shining Bronze-Cuckoo.
>>>> Or Masked Owl and Eastern Barn Owl.
>>>> Or Kelp Gull and Silver Gull.
>>>>
>>>> There's probably more but this little idiosyncrasy shouldn't prevent
>>>> anyone finding those, and other, species.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Inglis Sandstone Point
>>>> Qld
>>>>
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