Carl and Tony,
You may not feel what you said was particularly negative, however I agree
with Rob in that, had I known nothing about the book, I would have walked
away from the thread thinking "I'm not buying that, it sounds useless".
Possibly not your intent but I think that it would be sad if people
deprived themselves of even looking into the book because of the complete
lack of anything positive said on Birding-Aus. Having not read the new
version yet I'll reserve judgement til I have seen it, but I know a lot of
birders without the experience that Tony and Carl have will probably
appreciate a site guide that makes finding new birds a little easier. I
know nearly all my close birding colleagues used the original version
extensively and I was almost tempted to go looking for an out of print copy
somewhere til I heard it was being updated. By all means use other sites
but I think for those new to the hobby and for those coming from overseas
site guides are invaluable and extremely time-saving.
Regards,
Chris Sanderson
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Carl Clifford <>wrote:
> Rob,
>
> I have just re-read my post several times. I am at a loss to see where I
> picked holes or criticised the new edition of T&T. I believe I only stated
> that "I will stick with Birdata, Eremaea and B-A's archives if I wish to
> discover where a particular species may be found or what species are at a
> particular location". I was stating my personal choice. In actual fact, I
> seldom try to find out what species have been found at the locations at
> which I bird. If I do, I use the on-line resources. I am just happy with
> what I see. I also seldom go to the "regular" birding sites, preferring to
> look for less birded areas. But that is my method of birding, I am not even
> sure, nor care, how many species I have seen the last time I bothered
> totting up, it was getting near the third millenary.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 23/03/2011, at 4:22 PM, robert morris wrote:
>
>
> Carl, Tony et al.
> It is always easy to pick holes and criticise - especially when you've used
> the old T&T and seen everything, or know about and have access to all these
> other resources. I'd be interested to know if you've actually even seen a
> copy? As you wrote Tony 'If one used the first edition exhaustively and
> went to every location recommended, as I did myself' - this in my mind is a
> ringing endorsement for the book for many others who are looking for places
> to go to look for specific species!
> Paul (Walbridge) and I noted a few 'issues' with the Southport Pelagic
> write up - but it was still good it got a write up and it was better than
> the original 2 or 3 lines Richard and Sarah put together! There are always
> going to be a few errors in such books - and elements of books like this go
> out of date as soon as they are published.
> But on the other side of the equation (a more balanced view perhaps) - the
> book makes a positive contribution to promoting birding and ornithology in
> Australia and there will (hopefully) be plenty of budding young
> ornithologists and foreign visitors who use this, as others used the first
> T&T in the past, to develop a passion for birding.
> There's a lot of good stuff in this book and I think that almost writing it
> off because of one or two errors or omissions is a little premature. I have
> the old version and have been to most the places in it. There are only a
> handful of endemics I haven't seen. But I have bought the new version too -
> it is interesting to look at what has and what hasn't changed, and the new
> sites there are around for some species etc. etc.
> I guess it depends on your outlook!
> Rob Morris
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
>> To: ;
>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:56:46 +1030
>> CC: ;
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition.
>>
>> If one used the first edition exhaustively and went to every location
>> recommended, as I did myself with other SA birders, there can't be too
>> many
>> new places for the new edition to cover. I sold my original once it was
>> out
>> of print and had served its purpose.
>>
>> I'm with Carl on this. And if it's got errors like the Yumbarra one where
>> you should go through the gate at the end of Foggo's Rd before turning
>> left
>> ( then travel 2.1km along the fence before turning right up a poorly
>> marked
>> narrow track etc), Hm!
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> On Behalf Of Carl
>> Clifford
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:05 AM
>> To: John Tongue
>> Cc: Birding-Aus; Robert Inglis
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition.
>>
>> I am glad I did not rush out and buy T&T. I am always wary of books
>> with "Complete" in their titles anyway. I think I will stick with
>> Birdata, Eremaea and B-A's archives if I wish to discover where a
>> particular species may be found or what species are at a particular
>> location. Much more up to date.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Clifford
>>
>>
>> On 23/03/2011, at 9:43 AM, John Tongue wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> We found a few minor discrepancies in the info for Yumbarra
>> Conservation Reserve in SA. Nothing too major, but it could be
>> confusing when the notes say to turn left at the Dog fence before
>> travelling a few km to the gate through the fence, when the gate is
>> actually at the point Foggo's Road reaches the dog fence. Apart from
>> that, just a few name discrepancies. in this listing.
>>
>> HAven't really tried out many of the others - though I did note Bob's
>> point about the unusual way Tasmania is sometimes handled!! (Didn't
>> want to appear too testy, or mention Brisbane Commonwealth Games :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John Tongue
>> Ulverstone, Tas.
>>
>> On 22/03/2011, at 7:14 PM, Robert Inglis wrote:
>>
>> An interesting makeover but Tasmanians must be a little confused.
>>> There seems to be some doubt about whether Tasmania is part of
>>> Australia or, in fact, a separate country.
>>> I thought we worked this sort of thing out a long time ago.
>>>
>>> Check out the Bird Finder Guide for the Striated Pardalote and
>>> Eastern Spinebill entries.
>>> Or Horsfield's Bronze-Cuckoo and Shining Bronze-Cuckoo.
>>> Or Masked Owl and Eastern Barn Owl.
>>> Or Kelp Gull and Silver Gull.
>>>
>>> There's probably more but this little idiosyncrasy shouldn't prevent
>>> anyone finding those, and other, species.
>>>
>>> Bob Inglis Sandstone Point
>>> Qld
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