Rob,
I have just re-read my post several times. I am at a loss to see where
I picked holes or criticised the new edition of T&T. I believe I only
stated that "I will stick with Birdata, Eremaea and B-A's archives if
I wish to discover where a particular species may be found or what
species are at a particular location". I was stating my personal
choice. In actual fact, I seldom try to find out what species have
been found at the locations at which I bird. If I do, I use the on-
line resources. I am just happy with what I see. I also seldom go to
the "regular" birding sites, preferring to look for less birded areas.
But that is my method of birding, I am not even sure, nor care, how
many species I have seen the last time I bothered totting up, it was
getting near the third millenary.
Carl Clifford
On 23/03/2011, at 4:22 PM, robert morris wrote:
Carl, Tony et al.
It is always easy to pick holes and criticise - especially when you've
used the old T&T and seen everything, or know about and have access to
all these other resources. I'd be interested to know if you've
actually even seen a copy? As you wrote Tony 'If one used the first
edition exhaustively and went to every location recommended, as I did
myself' - this in my mind is a ringing endorsement for the book for
many others who are looking for places to go to look for specific
species!
Paul (Walbridge) and I noted a few 'issues' with the Southport Pelagic
write up - but it was still good it got a write up and it was better
than the original 2 or 3 lines Richard and Sarah put together! There
are always going to be a few errors in such books - and elements of
books like this go out of date as soon as they are published.
But on the other side of the equation (a more balanced view perhaps) -
the book makes a positive contribution to promoting birding and
ornithology in Australia and there will (hopefully) be plenty of
budding young ornithologists and foreign visitors who use this, as
others used the first T&T in the past, to develop a passion for birding.
There's a lot of good stuff in this book and I think that almost
writing it off because of one or two errors or omissions is a little
premature. I have the old version and have been to most the places in
it. There are only a handful of endemics I haven't seen. But I have
bought the new version too - it is interesting to look at what has and
what hasn't changed, and the new sites there are around for some
species etc. etc.
I guess it depends on your outlook!
Rob Morris
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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:56:46 +1030
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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition.
If one used the first edition exhaustively and went to every location
recommended, as I did myself with other SA birders, there can't be
too many
new places for the new edition to cover. I sold my original once it
was out
of print and had served its purpose.
I'm with Carl on this. And if it's got errors like the Yumbarra one
where
you should go through the gate at the end of Foggo's Rd before
turning left
( then travel 2.1km along the fence before turning right up a poorly
marked
narrow track etc), Hm!
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Carl
Clifford
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:05 AM
To: John Tongue
Cc: Birding-Aus; Robert Inglis
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition.
I am glad I did not rush out and buy T&T. I am always wary of books
with "Complete" in their titles anyway. I think I will stick with
Birdata, Eremaea and B-A's archives if I wish to discover where a
particular species may be found or what species are at a particular
location. Much more up to date.
Cheers,
Carl Clifford
On 23/03/2011, at 9:43 AM, John Tongue wrote:
Hi All,
We found a few minor discrepancies in the info for Yumbarra
Conservation Reserve in SA. Nothing too major, but it could be
confusing when the notes say to turn left at the Dog fence before
travelling a few km to the gate through the fence, when the gate is
actually at the point Foggo's Road reaches the dog fence. Apart from
that, just a few name discrepancies. in this listing.
HAven't really tried out many of the others - though I did note Bob's
point about the unusual way Tasmania is sometimes handled!! (Didn't
want to appear too testy, or mention Brisbane Commonwealth Games :)
Cheers,
John Tongue
Ulverstone, Tas.
On 22/03/2011, at 7:14 PM, Robert Inglis wrote:
An interesting makeover but Tasmanians must be a little confused.
There seems to be some doubt about whether Tasmania is part of
Australia or, in fact, a separate country.
I thought we worked this sort of thing out a long time ago.
Check out the Bird Finder Guide for the Striated Pardalote and
Eastern Spinebill entries.
Or Horsfield's Bronze-Cuckoo and Shining Bronze-Cuckoo.
Or Masked Owl and Eastern Barn Owl.
Or Kelp Gull and Silver Gull.
There's probably more but this little idiosyncrasy shouldn't prevent
anyone finding those, and other, species.
Bob Inglis Sandstone Point
Qld
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