As a general rule I would have no issue with someone that is organising the
trip having their portion subsidised or paid entirely, provided:
1. It was clearly stated up front that the organiser was not paying their
own way.
2. The amount of work put into organising the trip justifies that level of
subsidy (in other words, the other participants receive value for money).
I think the sticking point for is number 1 - I'm not sure how common it is
for organisers to have a subsidised trip, but I've never seen it mentioned
or disclosed.
Paul Dodd
Docklands, Melbourne
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Tony Russell
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 5:59 PM
To: 'peter crow'; 'Tim Dolby'
Cc:
Subject: Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds
I'm with you on this one Peter. I don't mind anyone organising trips but
they should really pay their own way. I now only go on trips for which
the cost is shared evenly among ALL participants. If the cost is $20,000
and 10 people go then it's $2,000 each thank you. None of this riding
on other people's backs. That's just exploitation.
T.
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of peter crow
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:58 PM
To: Tim Dolby
Cc:
Subject: Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds
Tim and Simon,
I have a major problem with people who organise trip for groups where
everyone supposedly shares the cost but the one organising the trip
manages to get a free trip from the travel agent or whoever for
recruiting ten or what ever number of participants.
I have twice been slightly involved with this sort of event. The
first time I was caught. The second I found out in time and with
drew. Much to my satisfaction this left less than the prescribed
number and the "organiser" had to contribute.
I find it extremely unpleasant when some one sets them selves up as
organising a trip to benefit all but which is really to secretly
benefit only themselves.
Peter
On 18/06/2008, at 11:32 AM, Tim Dolby wrote:
>
> Yes, excellent points Simon, well said, and thanks for your honest
> reply. I couldn't agree more. As mentioned I have absolutely no
> problem with the Ashmore Reef trips, or anybody who organises them,
> or for that matter any other organised birding trips. Birding trips
> are what birding is all about - and for whatever reason - whether
> it's data collection or just pure birding fun.
>
> This was not the reason I replied to your message. The reason I
> replied was because you contextualised it in terms of 'commercial'
> versus 'non-commercial' birding.
>
> My problem is (and it's a bit of a personal gripe, apologies
> everyone and Simon for the whinge) when birders try to get other
> people to pay for their birding trips, whether in Australian waters
> or to overseas destinations (such as South America), often under
> the guise of trip sharing rather than commercialisation. You
> mention that as long as people are honest and don't take the
> proverbial there's no problem. I couldn't agree more. However what
> about when people are taking the proverbial. From personal
> experience birding is very addictive. It can also be a very very
> expensive. As a result, like anything else, it is open to potential
> bad practice. Although, as you pointed out, rather than being a
> negative, there may be some merit in this?
>
> Tig what wonderful discoveries they come back with.
>
> Regards,
>
> Simon Mustoe.
>
>
>
>
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