Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds

To: "Tim Dolby" <>
Subject: Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds
From: peter crow <>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:27:38 +1000
Tim and Simon,

I have a major problem with people who organise trip for groups where everyone supposedly shares the cost but the one organising the trip
manages to get a free trip from the travel agent or whoever for
recruiting ten or what ever number of participants.

I have twice been slightly involved with this sort of event. The
first time I was caught. The second I found out in time and with
drew. Much to my satisfaction this left less than the prescribed
number and the "organiser" had to contribute.

I find it extremely unpleasant when some one sets them selves up as
organising a trip to benefit all but which is really to secretly
benefit only themselves.


On 18/06/2008, at 11:32 AM, Tim Dolby wrote:

Yes, excellent points Simon, well said, and thanks for your honest
reply. I couldn't agree more. As mentioned I have absolutely no
problem with the Ashmore Reef trips, or anybody who organises them, or for that matter any other organised birding trips. Birding trips are what birding is all about – and for whatever reason - whether it's data collection or just pure birding fun.

This was not the reason I replied to your message. The reason I
replied was because you contextualised it in terms of 'commercial'
versus 'non-commercial' birding.

My problem is (and it's a bit of a personal gripe, apologies
everyone and Simon for the whinge) when birders try to get other
people to pay for their birding trips, whether in Australian waters or to overseas destinations (such as South America), often under
the guise of trip sharing rather than commercialisation. You
mention that as long as people are honest and don't take the
proverbial there's no problem. I couldn't agree more. However what
about when people are taking the proverbial. From personal
experience birding is very addictive. It can also be a very very
expensive. As a result, like anything else, it is open to potential bad practice. Although, as you pointed out, rather than being a
negative, there may be some merit in this?

Tig what wonderful discoveries they come back with.


Simon Mustoe.

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