Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds

To: "'peter crow'" <>, "'Tim Dolby'" <>
Subject: Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds
From: "Tony Russell" <>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:28:39 +0930
I'm with you on this one Peter. I don't mind anyone organising trips but
they should really pay their own way. I now only go on trips for which
the cost is shared evenly among ALL participants. If the cost is $20,000
and 10 people go then it's $2,000 each thank you.  None of this riding
on other people's backs.  That's just exploitation.


-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of peter crow
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:58 PM
To: Tim Dolby
Subject: Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds

Tim and Simon,

I have a major problem with people who organise trip for groups where  
everyone supposedly shares the cost but the one organising the trip  
manages to get a free trip from the travel agent or whoever for  
recruiting ten or what ever number of participants.

I have twice been slightly involved with this sort of event. The  
first time I was caught. The second I found out in time and with  
drew. Much to my satisfaction this left less than the prescribed  
number and the "organiser" had to contribute.

I find it extremely unpleasant when some one sets them selves up as  
organising a trip to benefit all but which is really to secretly  
benefit only themselves.


On 18/06/2008, at 11:32 AM, Tim Dolby wrote:

> Yes, excellent points Simon, well said, and thanks for your honest
> reply. I couldn't agree more. As mentioned I have absolutely no  
> problem with the Ashmore Reef trips, or anybody who organises them,  
> or for that matter any other organised birding trips. Birding trips  
> are what birding is all about - and for whatever reason - whether  
> it's data collection or just pure birding fun.
> This was not the reason I replied to your message. The reason I
> replied was because you contextualised it in terms of 'commercial'  
> versus 'non-commercial' birding.
> My problem is (and it's a bit of a personal gripe, apologies
> everyone and Simon for the whinge) when birders try to get other  
> people to pay for their birding trips, whether in Australian waters  
> or to overseas destinations (such as South America), often under  
> the guise of trip sharing rather than commercialisation. You  
> mention that as long as people are honest and don't take the  
> proverbial there's no problem. I couldn't agree more. However what  
> about when people are taking the proverbial. From personal  
> experience birding is very addictive. It can also be a very very  
> expensive. As a result, like anything else, it is open to potential  
> bad practice. Although, as you pointed out, rather than being a  
> negative, there may be some merit in this?
> Tig what wonderful discoveries they come back with.
> Regards,
> Simon Mustoe.

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