I'm with you on this one Peter. I don't mind anyone organising trips but
they should really pay their own way. I now only go on trips for which
the cost is shared evenly among ALL participants. If the cost is $20,000
and 10 people go then it's $2,000 each thank you. None of this riding
on other people's backs. That's just exploitation.
T.
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From:
On Behalf Of peter crow
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:58 PM
To: Tim Dolby
Cc:
Subject: Ashmore Reef Whales and Seabirds
Tim and Simon,
I have a major problem with people who organise trip for groups where
everyone supposedly shares the cost but the one organising the trip
manages to get a free trip from the travel agent or whoever for
recruiting ten or what ever number of participants.
I have twice been slightly involved with this sort of event. The
first time I was caught. The second I found out in time and with
drew. Much to my satisfaction this left less than the prescribed
number and the "organiser" had to contribute.
I find it extremely unpleasant when some one sets them selves up as
organising a trip to benefit all but which is really to secretly
benefit only themselves.
Peter
On 18/06/2008, at 11:32 AM, Tim Dolby wrote:
>
> Yes, excellent points Simon, well said, and thanks for your honest
> reply. I couldn't agree more. As mentioned I have absolutely no
> problem with the Ashmore Reef trips, or anybody who organises them,
> or for that matter any other organised birding trips. Birding trips
> are what birding is all about - and for whatever reason - whether
> it's data collection or just pure birding fun.
>
> This was not the reason I replied to your message. The reason I
> replied was because you contextualised it in terms of 'commercial'
> versus 'non-commercial' birding.
>
> My problem is (and it's a bit of a personal gripe, apologies
> everyone and Simon for the whinge) when birders try to get other
> people to pay for their birding trips, whether in Australian waters
> or to overseas destinations (such as South America), often under
> the guise of trip sharing rather than commercialisation. You
> mention that as long as people are honest and don't take the
> proverbial there's no problem. I couldn't agree more. However what
> about when people are taking the proverbial. From personal
> experience birding is very addictive. It can also be a very very
> expensive. As a result, like anything else, it is open to potential
> bad practice. Although, as you pointed out, rather than being a
> negative, there may be some merit in this?
>
> Tig what wonderful discoveries they come back with.
>
> Regards,
>
> Simon Mustoe.
>
>
>
>
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