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[ts-7000] Re: yaffs tragedy: no more eraased blocks

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Subject: [ts-7000] Re: yaffs tragedy: no more eraased blocks
From: "j.chitte" <>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:39:57 -0000
--- In  Eddie Dawydiuk <> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> > I'm not sure what you want me to provide. The board will still boot but I 
> > only have console and it keeps spewing "yaffs tragedy" to that.
> 
> Basically what I'm asking for is, if you can tell me how to reproduce the 
> problems you are reporting. That is if I take a stock board, what needs to be 
> done to make large amounts of blocks to be marked bad as you've reported. As 
> I 
> mentioned earlier the kernel hasn't changed in several years, and we've done 
> quite a bit of testing on the Yaffs code base we are shipping and we have 
> been 
> unable to reproduce any failures. If our tests are missing a problem, we 
> would 
> be interested to know what needs to be done to cause the problem to show up.
> 

I appreciate that it would be nice to have a simple "do 1,2,3 and note flash is 
borked". Sadly , as I said before, this has crept up on us over about 18mths of 
usage. So, other than the information I have already provided about the usage 
the board has seen, I can not give you precise steps to reproduce it.

I would be happy if we had a better knowledge of the cause. It may be avoidable.


> If you'd like you can contact me off list and I will provide you with an RMA 
> so 
> your board can be returned to be restored to the factory default settings 
> with a 
> new Nand flash chip.

Thanks , that may ultimately be the best solution technically. We'll have to 
discuss shipping costs since , as you recall , we are in Europe.

> 
> > Since I don't really understand what conditions produce the bad block 
> > markage I can only guess like you. I can't provide do steps 1,2,3 
>  > "happens every time" bug report. Sorry.
> 
> I'll pass your report along to my manager, although I can tell you from past 
> experience he will be much more likely to assign an engineer to look into 
> your 
> bug report if you can provide information on how to recreate the bug you are 
> reporting.
> 
> A few more questions. How many boards have seen this problem on? Have you 
> seen 
> this problem on any boards that have never run a non TS kernel(I believe you 
> mentioned running a 2.6 kernel at one point)?
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards,

I will emphasis that this board has only ever had stock ts kernels. IIRC it was 
shipped with ts9 and we updated it some months later to ts11 .

We don't use any yaffs tools. The fs is basically the stock TSlinux fs with our 
software added via ftp.

We have been working on moving to 2.6 but I reiterate that this has only been 
via nfs with an nfs root fs. Up until now the MTD has never been mounted by the 
2.6 kernel.

Mounting with an upto data kernel and yaffs code may be useful as a diagnostic 
but I have been holding off on doing so to avoid falsifying any later tests. So 
please let me know if there is anything specific information you want me to do 
to get off the device.

best regards.
Jacques.




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