Yes, a very dumb mistake. I plugged them both in on the off chance it might=
work. I tapped the mic, and saw the level meters move. I tapped the detect=
or, and saw them move again. But of course they were just registering the s=
ound of the detector's *speaker* via the microphone!=0D
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ia the mic jack. Thanks for your help, everybody.=0D
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m Mic and Line In sockets. I was mistaken, and it appears the Mic socket ta=
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> On 30 Mar 2016, at 8:49 PM, Peter Shute <=
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> Something I've noticed is that a mic wired to right channel only shows so=
me cross talk to the left channel in the M10's meters. I haven't checked to=
see if it'll be audible, but I suspect not. I didn't notice similar cross =
talk on the line in input. If this cross talk normal for the M10?=0D
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> On 29 Mar 2016, at 8:51 PM, Peter Shute <=
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dists] <<=
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> It appears that I may not need anything this complicated. I just tried th=
e detector plugged into Line In of the M10, and the microphone simultaneous=
ly plugged into the mic jack, and it recorded from both. Is that the usual =
thing with recorders that you can do that? So it appears all I have to do i=
s wire up the microphone so it only feeds the right track, as the mono sock=
et I fitted to the bat detector is already feeding that only to the left.=
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> On 28 Mar 2016, at 4:25 AM, Dan Dugan <=
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> I=92d suggest building an attenuating cable.=0D
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> 33K on the input shunted to ground with 100 ohms will give you 50 dB of a=
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>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Peter Shute <pshut=
><><m("nuw.org.au","pshute");">><mailto:ps=
> [naturerecordists] <<mailt=
o:><=
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ups.com>> wrote:=0D
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>> Thanks, Dan. The Shure A15LA is XLR to XLR. I need to connect 3.5mm to 3=
.5mm, so I'd need adapters too, making it quite bulky. Looking at the simpl=
e circuit design on the side of the barrel, I might be better off just addi=
ng a couple of resistors inside the bat detector. But maybe that type of at=
tenuator would prevent it being able to drive its own speaker? If so, I gue=
ss I could monitor via the recorder output instead.=0D
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>> I saw a page suggesting 33k ohms in series, with 100 ohms in parallel wo=
uld reduce it by 50dB. Sound right?=0D
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>> Peter Shute=0D
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>> Sent from my iPhone=0D
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>> On 27 Mar 2016, at 9:56 AM, Dan Dugan <=
an.com><><m("dandugan.com","dan");">><m("dandug","dan");=">=
an.com><> [naturerecordists] <=
groups.com<><mailto:naturerecordists=
@yahoogroups.com><><mailto:naturerec=
><>> wrote:=
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>> Direct boxes are generally intended to connect a high-impedance input li=
ke an electric guitar to a low-impedance balanced mic input.=0D
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>> The best solution for line-to-mic is an XLR attenuator barrel designed f=
or that purpose-meaning instead of 10 or 20 dB attenuation it has 40 or 50.=
Shure A15LA, 50 dB.=0D
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>> -Dan=0D
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>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 11:15 AM, <=
aii.rr.com><><m("hawaii.rr.com","benedict");">><m=
ailto:><> [naturerecordi=
sts] <<=
com><><m("yahoo","naturerecordists");=">=
groups.com><><mailto:naturerecordist=
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>> It's new to me, too, so someone please point out where I'm wrong.=0D
>>=0D
>> You're looking for whats called a "direct box". It lets you plug a line =
level signal in one end, and get a mic level signal out the other.=0D
>>=0D
>> If you do a Google search on "line in to mic in converter" you get a bun=
ch of info on direct boxes, as well as schematics for building your own. Th=
e schematics run the gamut from simple voltage dividers to transformers to =
op-amp driven circuits. The direct boxes also run the gamut from XLR-to-TS,=
1/8"-to-1/8", single channel, dual channel, etc. So you can either build y=
our own or buy one off the shelf, regardless of what your setup is.=0D
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>> Good news is these are common tools in the music industry, so if you hav=
e a music store in town they're likely to have an assortment to choose from=
. Even better, you can bring your bat gear (which you get extra points for =
if you wear on your Bat Belt), and test it out.=0D
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>> Cheers,=0D
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>> Tom=0D
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