Hello,
Merops apiaster 50mts, ms tecnique mkh30/40=C2=A0
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On Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:42 PM, Flawn Williams <> wrote:
Fred=E2=80=94
You don=E2=80=99t need a multi-pattern mike for the Side mike. Those can wo=
rk if they have a bidirectional option. But probably what is more practical=
in this application is a single-pattern small diaphragm bidirectional mike=
. My attempts with this technique used a Bruel & Kjaer (now DPA) 4001 omni =
for the Mid mike in the focus of the parabolic dish and a Sennheiser MKH30 =
bidirectional for the Side mike behind the dish, facing sideways with its n=
ull to the dish and its positive polarity side facing left. (David, I=E2=80=
=99m glad to see I=E2=80=99m not the only one willing to place mike[s] behi=
nd the dish!)
A number of recorders and mixers offer Mid Side decoding to Left Right for =
recording these days. A smaller subset of those let you decode MS to LR int=
o the headphones while recording the undecoded Mid and Side signals. Then y=
ou can decode MS to LR in a DAW app. There are plug-ins available in many f=
ormats for doing that, or you can just do it by duplicating the S track in =
your DAW and flipping its polarity. Pan the Mid track to center, pan the or=
iginal Side track to full left, pan the dup Side track to full right. Link =
the level controls for the two Side tracks so they match. Raise the Mid tra=
ck or lower the two Side tracks to narrow the stereo image, do the opposite=
to widen it.
In the desert, absent wind, you=E2=80=99re dealing with some very quiet amb=
is, so low noise mikes and recorders will help your efforts there. And a tr=
ipod mount for this strange MS dish contraption is advised. Your breath and=
other body noises will be very close to that Side mike if you=E2=80=99re t=
rying to hand-hold the rig.
=E2=80=94Flawn
On Jan 5, 2014, at 4:58 AM, wrote:
> 1c. Re: Parabolic Dish As Center Channel?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Posted by:=C2=A0 listeningfor1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date: Sat Jan 4, 2014 10:56 pm ((PST))
>
> Flawn and David,
>
> Thank you very much for your responses.=C2=A0 I gather that this idea can=
work, but I dance with a world of trouble.=C2=A0 I live in the desert, and=
sometimes it's just not possible to get a mic close to the targeted sound.=
=C2=A0 I'm really interested in a dish, but at the same time, I want to mai=
ntain a stereo track.
>
> The M-S technique is an interesting suggestion.=C2=A0 I've seen the term,=
but really didn't know how the technique worked.=C2=A0 It sounds like I ca=
n use one of my 4022s for the parabolic dish and mid channel, but I'll have=
to get a multi-patterned mic for the side channel.=C2=A0 The Sound Devices=
Mixpre encodes M-S, so maybe this idea is worth pursuing.=C2=A0 There appe=
ars to be several articles on the web about M-S signal processing, so looks=
like I have some reading assignments.
>
> Does anyone have a clip that I can hear using the M-S technique in an out=
door setting, maybe a coyote 1/4 mile away in the desert or a raven high on=
a cliff?=C2=A0 Have experience using the M-S Link function on a Sound Devi=
ces Mixpre-D?=C2=A0 (Not that I'm being too picky.=C2=A0 LOL)
>
> Thanks again.=C2=A0 The advice I get from this group is invaluable, and I=
hope to one day be in the position to return the favor.
>
> Fred
>
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