Yes, the D-50 seems to be the best recorder (if you can still find
one) for use with built-ins, but I think that the improvement over
the LS-100 is going to be minimal, and not good value for the dollar
at all. I think you will find it more similar to the LS-11 and LS-100
than the PCM-M10 in terms of microphone noise. That's a lot to spend
for a decibel, or two at most, of noise improvement. I banged my head
against this for a long time, thinking that there must be a portable
recorder with fantastic built-in microphones, if only I could find
it, if only I could locate the right review or test of it. I wanted
it to be so! I had myself convinced that the D-50 was going to answer
all my needs, and almost bought one. The reality is that there is no
recorder whose built-ins are as quiet as a good external microphone.
If having the best built-ins is very important to you then maybe you
should wait for the PCM-D100 to arrive. Sony reports that its built-
in mics have a 1 dB improvement - 19 dBSPL (A) - over the PCM-D50.
But I prefer to use the Rode NT4, which runs on a 9v battery or P48.
It's not the best mic on the planet, but it is compact and easy to
use and quieter than any recorder (rated at 16 dB SPL but I think it
is quieter than that). I use it all the time because it is convenient.
john
John Crockett
Westminster, VT
Let us live in harmony with the Earth
And all creatures
That our lives may be a blessing
On Oct 21, 2013, at 12:06 AM, <> wrote:
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> That is correct, I am looking to use a device with it's internal
> mics, this way it keeps setting up to a very bare minimum, easier
> to stealth, and lighter to carry around. I know going with a multi-
> device recorder will sport me a lower sound noise, but it's just
> not something I can always use when I am out recording in the field.
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> I've tested the M10 and even have a video on Youtube comparing it
> to the LS-11 and as mentioned it's stereo field is poor.
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> The LS-100 is okay, but I believe the D-50 would let me record even
> quieter noises or so I think it will.
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> Do you mean lowest noise using the built-in microphones?
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> I believe the Sony PCM-M10 wins on that score, but they are omnis
> so the stereo image is poor-to-nonexistent. noise is 17 dBSPL(A).
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> I believe the PCM-D50 comes in second, at 20dBSPL(A). These are the
> figures published by Sony.
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> I have compared my LS-11 built-ins to other mics I have, and my
> best estimate is that they come in at around 21 -22 dBSPL.
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> I don't know exactly where the LS-100 falls, but I wonder whether
> you are going to get much better than the LS-100 if you are looking
> for cardioid built-in mics.
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> A decent external mic improves things by leaps and bounds. It seems
> to me that is a much better investment than another all-in-one
> recorder.
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> The published noise data on the H6 preamps is -120 dBu, which is
> hardly "ultra" low noise.
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> Published specs don't trump field experience, but that's all I have
> to offer!
>
> John
>
> John Crockett
> Westminster, VT
>
> Let us live in harmony with the Earth
> And all creatures
> That our lives may be a blessing
>
> !
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:25 PM, <> wrote:
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>> Anyone know what all-in-one recorder has the lowest noise floor
>> which can be used for pro-audio?
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>> I am a one man team when comes to recording. I don't have the
>> luxury to spend a lot of time setting up my equipment and carrying
>> a lot of extra gear. A tripod, batteries, the recorder, and some
>> sort of wind screen is all I am usually able to bring. I record
>> low ambient sounds and noises in nature, cities, and anywhere else
>> I am lead too.
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>> I currently have been using an Olympus LS-100 with it's on-board
>> mics, I think the recordings mostly turn out well, but am hoping
>> to find something with even less noise for recording.
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>> I know most here are familiar with the reviews from
>> wingfieldaudio.com. The Sony PCM D50 currently is listed as the
>> lowest noise all-in-one recorder. Problem, this recorder is
>> already 5 years old and has already hit it's end of life support
>> from Sony, but if it's the best for this class then it will have
>> to do.
>>
>> I know the Sony PCM D100 is out in other places then the US, but
>> at a $1000 or more, it's too much out of my price range at this time.
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>> I know Zoom isn't known for quite recordings, but anyone know
>> anything about the Zoom h6 with it's on board X/Y mics? Zoom
>> claims the H6 now has an "ultra" low no! ise preamp, but I have
>> yet to see any data to prove or dis-prove this. The Upside is the
>> H6 is a new model and has room for me to grow with XLR connectors
>> in the future if I ever go in that direction.
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>> I appreciate anyone's thought's or opinions to this.
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