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Re: M10 noise removal, was Sony PCM-M10 vs Zoom H4n best for outdoor

Subject: Re: M10 noise removal, was Sony PCM-M10 vs Zoom H4n best for outdoor
From: "Peter Shute" pshute2
Date: Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:22 pm ((PST))
I'm experimenting with noise removal and some PCM M10 3 recordings in Audac=
ity (beta 1.3)? now myself, as a stopgap solution till I can get some stere=
o mics.

My initial attempt, taking the noise sample from the recording, left the re=
cording full of strange little hiccups and funny noises (but no hiss). I as=
sume this was because I couldn't find anywhere where there wasn't at least =
one little bird calling faintly in the background.

I then made a recording of just hiss at the same recording level with the r=
ecorder under some cushions, and I used that for the noise sample for the n=
oise removal. After experimenting with the noise removal settings, I starte=
d getting much better results, but still not right.

At first I thought it was ok, but after listening a few times, I noticed th=
at the reverb had gone, leaving it sounding very dead. I increased the atta=
ck/decay time and got some reverb back, but now there was a little burst of=
 hiss each side of each loud bird call. More fiddling with the other settin=
gs, and I've improved it a lot, but the best way to improve it seems to be =
to reduce the amount of hiss removed!

I haven't given up yet, but given the amount of time I've spent on it now, =
and the imperfect results, I can see why people just shell out for better m=
icrophones. I assume that if I come up with some settings I think sound ok,=
 people here will be able to point out other noise removal artefacts I hadn=
't noticed.

That said, at this stage I still think it's worth a try if all you have is =
the recorder's internal mics. I hadn't noticed the hiss at all in other rec=
ordings I made in noisier places, so it's only in very quiet places that it=
's a problem.

Peter Shute

From:  =
.com] On Behalf Of Dan Dugan
Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012 10:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Sony PCM-M10 vs Zoom H4n best for outdoors=
 / capturing frogs in the jungle?



> One thing that seems important to master for now, esp when using the buil=
t-in mics, is removing microphone hiss with Audacity. Do you recommend this=
 method?:

No. Noise-removing algorithms damage the sound irreparably. There are of us=
e in forensics, and in constructing mixes for film, where destroying the am=
bience of a particular clip doesn't matter because another ambience is bein=
g mixed in.

The way to avoid hiss is to get the mics closer to the source, or use quiet=
er mics.

-Dan












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