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Subject: Re: Which Location Recorder - Which Mics...
From: "Gene Dorcas" genedorcas
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:24 am ((PDT))
There are several ways to use the EM172 pair with the FR2LE.  One way uses
the existing phantom power with a circuit to drop the voltage to an
exceptable level.  The other uses a battery-box.



I'll try to get both circuits posted today.



The EM172 stereo pair is now listed at
http://www.frogloggers.com/FORMgallery4.htm



Gene



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Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Which Location Recorder - Which Mics...





I bought the Fostex FRLE in the end.
Still looking at mics...
Would like to try the BP4025 - especially if I could find a Rycote kit for
it.
Also like to try the Telinga DAT mic but it's a slow process getting info
from them.
Have tried the Fostex with the NT1As - and so far found it very impressive.

One question I had was if I was to try and build a stereo setup using some
pip EM172 mics - how would I feed that to the Fostex? Any suppliers in UK
for converting cable to XLR and I'm presuming I would need to turn off the
phantom and provide some power - but unclear about that.

Thanks for any advice.

J
--- In 
<naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "soundsvisual"
<> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rob
>
> Well I suppose I will eventually need a few different setups.
> But for now I can't justify the MKH 30/40 + SD722 sort of investment so
what do you think of these ideas:
>
> MICS
>
> Telinga stereo DAT mic
> Or AT BP-4025 stereo single mic
> 2 x EM172 (not sure how/where to get these made up - anyone suggest
please?) Frogloggers say they are bringing this product out next week:
> 2 x EM-172 to stereo mini jack, and will sell for $97.00 + S/H. They
recommend Olympus LS-11?
> And/Or make up a basket system for my matched NT1As - anyone want to sell
me one?!
>
> RECORDER
>
> So the Telinga (?) & AT B-4025 would need something like a Rolls PP to
power them if I was going to use a small recorder like the D50 or M10. I've
listened to a lot of the excellent tests that you guys have done, and seems
to me that you get some very good results using external mics + power if
required and a small box like the M10 or D50. I'm prepared to pay a
reasonable amount to get an excellent sound but I'd also like my setup to
fairly portable.
>
> What I have now (NT1As on tripod, into RME Fireface 400 (preamp &
interface via firewire to MacBook Pro running Logic) is not what you would
call portable! But I do lug it around sometimes but mostly it stays where i=
t
belongs in the studio...
>
> So any thoughts on what I should get? I'm very grateful for any advice yo=
u
can give me.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> --- In 
<naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , Rob Danielson <type@> wrote:
> >
> > At 8:53 AM +0000 10/20/10, soundsvisual wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi - have followed this group for a while now. I used to record
> > >sound effects professionally for a library using an HHB Portadat and
> > >a Sennheiser MKH30-40 or 60 mic rig. I sold all of that kit a while
> > >ago, but am getting back into location recording.
> > >
> > >At the moment the kit I am using is no good for wet weather or
> > >discreet work as I'm using a MacBook Pro, an RME Fireface 400 (bus
> > >powered) and a pair of matched Rode NT1s. I mean great quality -
> > >incredibly low noise (maybe a little brittle sounding?) but in terms
> > >of being "portable" or discreet - no. So which way to go? I love the
> > >RME Fireface 400 pre-amps they are excellent, but not sure how I
> > >would power that unit without the MacBook?
> > >
> > >So I've looked at a Sony PCMD50 - would be great for discreet work -
> > >and if I wanted to use some different mics I could get a phantom
> > >power pack and go that route. That's the most cost effective way,
> > >and I like the idea of being able to put it in my pocket - would be
> > >good for recording ambient sounds where a big rig is going to start
> > >questions from security etc...
> > >
> > >Or if money was no object, would a SoundDevices recorder and a
> > >Sennheiser 30/40 rig be so much better?
> > >
> > >I suppose the answer is both.
> > >
> > >As far as mics are concered, the NT1s are great except I have no
> > >basket for them - just a couple of windjammers to slip over the top,
> > >and they are mounted on a camera tripod.
> > >
> > >So any tips for a stereo mic (maybe m-s)- v low noise - better than
> > >onboard the Sony PCMD50?
> > >
> > >Thanks for any suggestions.
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Jonathan
> > >
> >
> > Hi Jonathan--
> > It can require some research to settle on priorities but these tend
> > to be crucial to nail down: Small vs. large overall profile and very
> > low-noise vs. low-noise mics in the stereo array(s) of your
> > preference.
> >
> > Some related factors to consider:
> > http://tinyurl.com/247qscv
> >
> > Matching Pres & Mics:
> > http://tinyurl.com/34ojchb (first mics/array, then recorder)
> >
> > The smaller profile mic/array options with very low self-noise
> > performance are few. I can't think of a single-point mic with under
> > 12 dB(A) self noise. One low-noise, single point option that might
> > not jump out is the Audio Technica BP-4025. As you need a
> > professional set-up, you'll probably need several mic options in the
> > long term.
> >
> > Some people like to invest modestly at first to get a better feel for
> > what style/results works for them. Quite a few people have gone with
> > Sony M10 and made some ~14dB(A) self-noise DIY mics
> > http://www.frogloggers.com/BT%20EM172.htm to go along with it. (Same
> > mic capsules that are inside the M10, but in a better stereo array).
> >
> > I would agree that the tonal balance of the NT1-A's leans towards
> > "brittle." I think some of it has to do with the poorer
> > representation of the lower mid range which makes the HF emphasis
> > more perceptible. The NT2000 is much less "grainy" and has very good
> > lower mid range response in case you have inexplicably fallen in love
> > with large condenser mics. Rob D.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>















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sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.



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