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Re: Which Location Recorder - Which Mics...

Subject: Re: Which Location Recorder - Which Mics...
From: "soundsvisual" soundsvisual
Date: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:58 am ((PDT))
I bought the Fostex FRLE in the end. 
Still looking at mics...
Would like to try the BP4025 - especially if I could find a Rycote kit for it.
Also like to try the Telinga DAT mic but it's a slow process getting info from 
them.
Have tried the Fostex with the NT1As - and so far found it very impressive.

One question I had was if I was to try and build a stereo setup using some pip 
EM172 mics - how would I feed that to the Fostex? Any suppliers in UK for 
converting cable to XLR and I'm presuming I would need to turn off the phantom 
and provide some power - but unclear about that.

Thanks for any advice.

J
--- In  "soundsvisual" <> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks Rob
> 
> Well I suppose I will eventually need a few different setups.
> But for now I can't justify the MKH 30/40 + SD722 sort of investment so what 
> do you think of these ideas:
> 
> MICS
> 
> Telinga stereo DAT mic
> Or AT BP-4025 stereo single mic
> 2 x EM172 (not sure how/where to get these made up - anyone suggest please?) 
> Frogloggers say they are bringing this product out next week:
> 2 x EM-172 to stereo mini jack, and will sell for $97.00  +  S/H. They 
> recommend Olympus LS-11?
> And/Or make up a basket system for my matched NT1As - anyone want to sell me 
> one?!
> 
> RECORDER
> 
> So the Telinga (?) & AT B-4025  would need something like a Rolls PP to power 
> them if I was going to use a small recorder like the D50 or M10.  I've 
> listened to a lot of the excellent tests that you guys have done, and seems 
> to me that you get some very good results using external mics + power if 
> required and a small box like the M10 or D50. I'm prepared to pay a 
> reasonable amount to get an excellent sound but I'd also like my setup to 
> fairly portable.
> 
> What I have now (NT1As on tripod, into RME Fireface 400 (preamp & interface 
> via firewire to MacBook Pro running Logic) is not what you would call 
> portable! But I do lug it around sometimes but mostly it stays where it 
> belongs in the studio...
> 
> So any thoughts on what I should get? I'm very grateful for any advice you 
> can give me.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> --- In  Rob Danielson <type@> wrote:
> >
> > At 8:53 AM +0000 10/20/10, soundsvisual wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi - have followed this group for a while now. I used to record 
> > >sound effects professionally for a library using an HHB Portadat and 
> > >a Sennheiser MKH30-40 or 60 mic rig. I sold all of that kit a while 
> > >ago, but am getting back into location recording.
> > >
> > >At the moment the kit I am using is no good for wet weather or 
> > >discreet work as I'm using a MacBook Pro, an RME Fireface 400 (bus 
> > >powered) and a pair of matched Rode NT1s. I mean great quality - 
> > >incredibly low noise (maybe a little brittle sounding?) but in terms 
> > >of being "portable" or discreet - no. So which way to go? I love the 
> > >RME Fireface 400 pre-amps they are excellent, but not sure how I 
> > >would power that unit without the MacBook?
> > >
> > >So I've looked at a Sony PCMD50 - would be great for discreet work - 
> > >and if I wanted to use some different mics I could get a phantom 
> > >power pack and go that route. That's the most cost effective way, 
> > >and I like the idea of being able to put it in my pocket - would be 
> > >good for recording ambient sounds where a big rig is going to start 
> > >questions from security etc...
> > >
> > >Or if money was no object, would a SoundDevices recorder and a 
> > >Sennheiser 30/40 rig be so much better?
> > >
> > >I suppose the answer is both.
> > >
> > >As far as mics are concered, the NT1s are great except I have no 
> > >basket for them - just a couple of windjammers to slip over the top, 
> > >and they are mounted on a camera tripod.
> > >
> > >So any tips for a stereo mic (maybe m-s)- v low noise - better than 
> > >onboard the Sony PCMD50?
> > >
> > >Thanks for any suggestions.
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Jonathan
> > >
> > 
> > Hi Jonathan--
> > It can require some research to settle on priorities but these tend 
> > to be crucial to nail down: Small vs. large overall profile and very 
> > low-noise vs. low-noise mics in the stereo array(s) of your 
> > preference.
> > 
> > Some related factors to consider:
> > http://tinyurl.com/247qscv
> > 
> > Matching Pres & Mics:
> > http://tinyurl.com/34ojchb (first mics/array, then recorder)
> > 
> > The smaller profile mic/array options with very low self-noise 
> > performance are few. I can't think of a single-point mic with under 
> > 12 dB(A) self noise.  One low-noise, single point option that might 
> > not jump out is the Audio Technica BP-4025. As you need a 
> > professional set-up, you'll probably need several mic options in the 
> > long term.
> > 
> > Some people like to invest modestly at first to get a better feel for 
> > what style/results works for them. Quite a few people have gone with 
> > Sony M10 and made some ~14dB(A) self-noise DIY mics 
> > http://www.frogloggers.com/BT%20EM172.htm to go along with it. (Same 
> > mic capsules that are inside the M10, but in a better stereo array).
> > 
> > I would agree that the tonal balance of the NT1-A's leans towards 
> > "brittle." I think some of it has to do with the poorer 
> > representation of the lower mid range which makes the HF emphasis 
> > more perceptible. The NT2000 is much less "grainy" and has very good 
> > lower mid range response in case you have inexplicably fallen in love 
> > with large condenser mics. Rob D.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> >
>








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