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Re: Which Location Recorder - Which Mics...

Subject: Re: Which Location Recorder - Which Mics...
From: "soundsvisual" soundsvisual
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:27 am ((PDT))
Thanks Rob

Well I suppose I will eventually need a few different setups.
But for now I can't justify the MKH 30/40 + SD722 sort of investment so wha=
t do you think of these ideas:

MICS

Telinga stereo DAT mic
Or AT BP-4025 stereo single mic
2 x EM172 (not sure how/where to get these made up - anyone suggest please?=
) Frogloggers say they are bringing this product out next week:
2 x EM-172 to stereo mini jack, and will sell for $97.00  +  S/H. They reco=
mmend Olympus LS-11?
And/Or make up a basket system for my matched NT1As - anyone want to sell m=
e one?!

RECORDER

So the Telinga (?) & AT B-4025  would need something like a Rolls PP to pow=
er them if I was going to use a small recorder like the D50 or M10.  I've l=
istened to a lot of the excellent tests that you guys have done, and seems =
to me that you get some very good results using external mics + power if re=
quired and a small box like the M10 or D50. I'm prepared to pay a reasonabl=
e amount to get an excellent sound but I'd also like my setup to fairly por=
table.

What I have now (NT1As on tripod, into RME Fireface 400 (preamp & interface=
 via firewire to MacBook Pro running Logic) is not what you would call port=
able! But I do lug it around sometimes but mostly it stays where it belongs=
 in the studio...

So any thoughts on what I should get? I'm very grateful for any advice you =
can give me.

Cheers

Jonathan



--- In  Rob Danielson <> wrote:
>
> At 8:53 AM +0000 10/20/10, soundsvisual wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hi - have followed this group for a while now. I used to record
> >sound effects professionally for a library using an HHB Portadat and
> >a Sennheiser MKH30-40 or 60 mic rig. I sold all of that kit a while
> >ago, but am getting back into location recording.
> >
> >At the moment the kit I am using is no good for wet weather or
> >discreet work as I'm using a MacBook Pro, an RME Fireface 400 (bus
> >powered) and a pair of matched Rode NT1s. I mean great quality -
> >incredibly low noise (maybe a little brittle sounding?) but in terms
> >of being "portable" or discreet - no. So which way to go? I love the
> >RME Fireface 400 pre-amps they are excellent, but not sure how I
> >would power that unit without the MacBook?
> >
> >So I've looked at a Sony PCMD50 - would be great for discreet work -
> >and if I wanted to use some different mics I could get a phantom
> >power pack and go that route. That's the most cost effective way,
> >and I like the idea of being able to put it in my pocket - would be
> >good for recording ambient sounds where a big rig is going to start
> >questions from security etc...
> >
> >Or if money was no object, would a SoundDevices recorder and a
> >Sennheiser 30/40 rig be so much better?
> >
> >I suppose the answer is both.
> >
> >As far as mics are concered, the NT1s are great except I have no
> >basket for them - just a couple of windjammers to slip over the top,
> >and they are mounted on a camera tripod.
> >
> >So any tips for a stereo mic (maybe m-s)- v low noise - better than
> >onboard the Sony PCMD50?
> >
> >Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Jonathan
> >
>
> Hi Jonathan--
> It can require some research to settle on priorities but these tend
> to be crucial to nail down: Small vs. large overall profile and very
> low-noise vs. low-noise mics in the stereo array(s) of your
> preference.
>
> Some related factors to consider:
> http://tinyurl.com/247qscv
>
> Matching Pres & Mics:
> http://tinyurl.com/34ojchb (first mics/array, then recorder)
>
> The smaller profile mic/array options with very low self-noise
> performance are few. I can't think of a single-point mic with under
> 12 dB(A) self noise.  One low-noise, single point option that might
> not jump out is the Audio Technica BP-4025. As you need a
> professional set-up, you'll probably need several mic options in the
> long term.
>
> Some people like to invest modestly at first to get a better feel for
> what style/results works for them. Quite a few people have gone with
> Sony M10 and made some ~14dB(A) self-noise DIY mics
> http://www.frogloggers.com/BT%20EM172.htm to go along with it. (Same
> mic capsules that are inside the M10, but in a better stereo array).
>
> I would agree that the tonal balance of the NT1-A's leans towards
> "brittle." I think some of it has to do with the poorer
> representation of the lower mid range which makes the HF emphasis
> more perceptible. The NT2000 is much less "grainy" and has very good
> lower mid range response in case you have inexplicably fallen in love
> with large condenser mics. Rob D.
>
>
> --
>








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