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Subject: Stereo recording with hydrophones
From: "Robb N" robb_nichols
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:44 am ((PDT))
Following Kevin's "Frogs above and below water" thread, he asked about my e=
xperience with stereo recording in a private message.  This seems of genera=
l interest to the group so I'm going to elaborate and share some of my comm=
ents below.

I would love to learn more about the successes and challenges that people h=
ave had while recoding with multiple hydrophones.  Any tips for success?  A=
ny recordings to share?

I don't have nearly the level of personal experience with recording as othe=
rs in this group.  I have attempted to record frogs above and below water o=
n stereo tracks, as was originally asked.  I was not happy with the recordi=
ng though because the hydrophone needed so much more gain and I didn't have=
 the ability to adjust gain independently with my little Zoom H2 that I was=
 using at the time.  I didn't even bother to keep the recording, but this w=
ould be easy to do with the right recorder or preamp.

I think that Mitch's comments are very insightful.  He mentioned compensati=
ng for the speed of sound by placing the hydrophones four times further apa=
rt than what you might place a standard mic.  He also talked about surface =
reflections and other things.  This is all good advise.  In practicality it=
 is difficult to use any kind of device to focus sounds or accentuate direc=
tional information.  Something like a parabola or disk will either have too=
 similar of an acoustic impedance as water to be effective, or it will want=
 to float or move around so much that it will probably just create noise in=
 your recording.  Spacing seems to be about the only relatively easy soluti=
on to catching a stereo sound-field.  It is more of a challenge for sure to=
 record in stereo underwater because it is much harder to set up the mics a=
nd there are so many more unpredictable geologic features to absorb and ref=
lect sound (at least in shallow water).

I have known of many people that set up two hydrophones on a T-shaped boom.=
 The hydrophones are spaced approximately four times further apart than the=
 width between your ears.  Then, if you put a pointer at the top of the boo=
m perpendicular to the plane of the two hydrophones and follow that pointer=
 with your head while listening in stereo, you can effectively reproduce yo=
ur natural binaural locating abilities underwater.  You could be looking in=
 precisely the wrong direction with this because this system doesn't provid=
e front-to-back information.  But if the user can narrow in on the source, =
there are, typically, visual clues that can help with that.  This technique=
 is used as more of a natural underwater direction finder, but it could sti=
ll help the user set up mic placement for a stereo recording.  As noted abo=
ve whenever you attach your hydrophone to something underwater you have to =
be careful about inducing extra mechanical noise into the recording though =
the support structure.

You can also do something similar with a small human-powered boat by clampi=
ng the hydrophone cables to each side and and pointing the boat at your sou=
nd source.  I remember David Kuhn from this group writing about this last w=
inter (northern hemisphere), though I remember it from the context of the c=
hallenges that the currents provided.  Calm, still water is always a blessi=
ng to clean hydrophone recordings.  David, do you have anything to add?

Other than making stereo recordings, there are more tricks that you can do =
with two hydrophones.  You can hang one hydrophone deeper than the other fo=
r vertical imaging.  You can connect the two tightly together and record in=
 stereo:  With matched gains on each channel, you can sum the two in post p=
rocessing for a theoretical 6dB improvement in self noise; with unmatched g=
ains, you can possibly increase your dynamic range with post-processing tri=
ckery or at least it will allow you to select for best saturation between t=
he two for any given clip.  You can even attenuate handling noise to a larg=
e degree by physically connecting the hydrophones, facing in opposite direc=
tions, and summing the two channels--either electrically or in post process=
ing.

I'll appreciate anything you guys might add!

Kind regards, Robb







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