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Re: More on MKH and a little story abt. Nagras

Subject: Re: More on MKH and a little story abt. Nagras
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:16:33 +0100
Yes, that is a good point. Compact Flash manufacturing is leading rapidly 
to 1gig + using special high density layering, and they expect to reach 
2gig this year ( they are already at over 1gig ), so true solid state 
should be up to those kinds of capacities soon. Microdrives do have moving 
parts, but I have never heard of anyone having shock problems with them, 
and since they are an enclosed system there should be no issues with 
environmental conditions. I know of customers who have taken these 
machines everywhere from the Arctic down into rainforest conditions 
without any problems so I'm pretty confident about their resistance to 
environmental conditions. When I worked as a sound recordist I certainly 
had problems with both DAT and Minidisc in terms of extremely humid 
conditions. It's interesting that people want uncompressed but are using 
Minidisc, since MD is inherently compressed. Do people find ATRAC 
compression on MD a problem ? In terms of audible quality, we really 
consider anything from 128kbps upwards  compressed MP2 to be broadcast 
quality, although this may be different in terms of nature recording.


Matt Jarvis
Product Marketing Manager
Marantz Professional Europe
Kingsbridge House, Padbury Oaks, 575-583 Bath Road, Longford, Middx, UB7 
0EH, United Kingdom
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Scott Shepard <>
2002-07-03 12:02
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But once you put a microdrive in, it's not solid state, ne?


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> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:10:39 +0100
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] More on MKH and a little story abt. 
Nagras
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> Although we can't promise to be as unbreakable as the old Nagra's the
> Marantz solid state recorders do record uncompressed, and if you are 
using
> the Microdrives or similar, they are up to 2 gig storage capacity. Our
> next machine will take the 5 gig drives. This isn't a commercial posting
> even though I do work for Marantz, I am genuinely interested in
> bioacoustic recording ..
> 
> Matt Jarvis
> Product Marketing Manager
> Marantz Professional Europe
> Kingsbridge House, Padbury Oaks, 575-583 Bath Road, Longford, Middx, UB7
> 0EH, United Kingdom
> +447796610410 - Mobile
> +441753686080 - UK Office
> +441753686020 - Fax
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> Wild Sanctuary <>
> 2002-07-02 19:33
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> Subject:        Re: [Nature Recordists] More on MKH and a little story 
abt.
> Nagras
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> There may be an answer on the horizon with solid state recording,
> especially if Marantz (or folks like them) can figure out how to
> store information on their recent  690 unit w/o compression and with
> large data storage capacity. No disks. No tape. How (seemingly)
> wonderful!
> 
> Bernie
> 
>> Wild Sanctuary wrote:
>> 
>>> More recently, I dropped a Sony D-10 Pro II DAT recorder a couple of
>>> feet into a shallow pool. I quickly retrieved it and dried it out. It
>>> never worked again.
>> 
>> Rotating drum recorders not only have the electronics that are
>> vulnerable, but the drum assembly is a very high precision device, with
>> delicate parts. I'd think at minimum even if the electronics survived,
>> that you'd probably be into a full drum replacement. Definitely so if 
it
>> was running when it went in.
>> 
>> And to top it off, modern switches are membrane devices, which are 
often
>> not water protected.
>> 
>> The minidisc mechanism is a bit less vulnerable, but I don't count on 
it
>> working if it gets submerged.
>> 
>>> So, the moral is...
>>> 
>>> Have a nicer day in the field with equipment that you know will
>>> work for you.
>> 
>> I doubt, however, that many will go back to the older tape units. A lot
>> of their durability was what made them heavy and also they were
>> relatively simple designs. And the audio specs have problems keeping up
>> with digital. It is possible to build light and weatherproof recorders.
>> I have sony sports walkman cassette recorders that are very waterproof.
>> The same can be done with minidisc as well. Sony has brought out a
>> highly water resistant minidisc recorder...Though it's not designed
>> properly for our work. No mic input and it's designed for the NetMD 
copy
>> protection system. At minimum you'd need a separate mic pre to use it.
>> Sure would be nice if they would bring out a regular MD recorder like
> that.
>> http://www.minidisco.com/minispecs/sony_mz-s1.html
>> 
>> Meanwhile, I'm in the early stages of fiddling up a design for a full
>> weatherproof enclosure for the Portadisc, something that you can toss 
it
>> straight into the swamp and not only will it float, but will run fine,
>> you could record with it floating around. I'm looking at basing it on a
>> Pelican 1420 case right now to save time in building. Then I'd only 
have
>> to put a view window and waterproof links through the lid. All this to
>> be able to take it safely out in my kayak in the swamp and use it 
there.
>> 
>> I've still not worked out what to do about the mics. I'm not worried
>> about rolling the kayak, but splash or dropping them. It's easy to
>> transport them weatherproof, using them is a different story.
>> 
>> It would be possible to tear down a piece of modern equipment and
>> encapsulate many of the components. There are coatings now for this 
sort
>> of thing. Of course that still does not help the mechanics. And it
>> really makes repairing a problem.
>> 
>> Walt
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