Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

To: "Mark Clayton" <>, "'Geoffrey Dabb'" <>, <>
Subject: Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas
From: <>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:00:55 +1100
Mark has raised a few interesting points. When CIMAG was set up in 2006, there was much debate re “Indian” or “Common” in the title. Personally, I was a stickler for the correct name (Common myna), but the strong consensus was that “Indian myna” was much more widely understood by the community in general, that it might help avoid confusion with  “Noisy Miner” and particularly that it would enable a pronounceable acronym. I believe that all the 40+ groups that have been set up subsequently from western Victoria to far north Queensland have used “Indian myna” in their names. Clearly, in papers and even brochures, we all need to ensure that we point out the correct name early in the text.
The issue of human modifications to the environment leading to native species becoming pests comes up all over the place, most controversially here with kangaroos. It is also  an issue with Noisy Miners who thrive in environments where humans &/or their livestock have degraded or fragmented the top storey or removed the understorey, excluding the small insect eating birds.  In the ACT we have to accept that as a community we have established splendid nature reserves which are occupying land that potentially could be sold for many hundred million dollars as real estate over coming decades. It is unthinkable that we would not then manage and protect that ‘investment’ and to preserve, as far as possible, all their biodiversity. Fenner School work in the Riverina has clearly shown that new plantings/restoration projects with mixed species attract the little birds,not Noisies. Short of vilification of our ancestors or self flagellation, I don’t see what we can do beyond learning from past mistakes!
On another issue, a member of CIMAG committee recently visited Fiji where in one exclusive resort, Common/Indian mynas were in such numbers and so aggressive, that it was impossible to enjoy a meal in any of the (unenclosed) restaurants without being invaded!
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

One thing I should have added, please everyone get the introduced birds name correct, it is the Common Myna (no H after the A). CIMAG just wouldn’t sound the same if it was called CCMAG! Believe it or not, a correct name can be important for all sorts of reasons, especially if in a judicial sense as I saw when working at CSIRO. People often used the wrong name in court cases, or it was spelt incorrectly, and generally the case was thrown out because of it.




From: Geoffrey Dabb [
Sent: Monday, 15 December 2014 8:48 AM
Subject: FW: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas


My initial send was rejected under the 200kb rule.  Surprising for such a modest offering.  Must be a lot of pixels in the old C of A.  They knew how to make ’em in  those days


From: Geoffrey Dabb
Sent: Monday, 15 December 2014 8:15 AM
To: ; 'Rosemary Blemings'; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; 'Canberra Birds'
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas


I think the _expression_ ‘more bang for the buck’ was used , the suggestion being that there is a limit to the resources that can be marshalled in such a  cause, and hence it is reasonable to set (or reset) priorities.  The other view, as Bruce indicates, is that it might not be possible to motivate community based  culling against a native species, which is, after all, as Australian as the kangaroo. Perhaps.  Would Van Helsing have chosen another target if there were no vampires about?  As with so many things (not to mention the war), it is the simplicity of the case against the Common Myna that is its great strength.  The slightly greater complexity of the argument against the N Miner is a reason that Miner Rage might be some distance off yet.





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Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2014 10:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas


I find the whole argument of Noisy Miners vs Common (Indian) Mynas really quite pointless and potentially confusing to a large proportion of the public who have difficulty in distinguishing the species.


Yes, each pose their threats to native species, but why link them or rank them?


Studies have shown that Noisies can have detrimental effects on native bushland by excluding smaller insectivorous native birds, but as a native species, they require a different approach than a community based culling program.


From my own observations, there are parts of Mulligans Flat, Goorooyarroo and Campbell Park Nature Reserves where flocks of Noisies are indirectly leading to degradation (and death) of eucalypts.







Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 7:28 PM

Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas


The item was on ABC TV news tonight.  If you missed it go to ABC I-view and look for ABC ACT TV News.




From: Rosemary Blemings
Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2014 5:12 PM
To: Bill & Jenny Handke
Subject: Fwd: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas


I expect Bruce will have picked up on this we go again....!



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From: Nathanael Coyne <>

Date: 14 December 2014 4:36:30 PM AEDT

To: "COG_Mailing_List " <>

Subject: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas


Not helpful to compare the two when they're from different families and just happen to have similar distinctive markings!



Nathanael Coyne


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