Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

[David Rees <>]

 As an example, Pied Currawongs  love fruits of Manchurian Pear from my experience - a much planted street tree  in many new suburbs. Brings them in nicely it does!

David

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Mark Clayton <> wrote:

One thing I should have added, please everyone get the introduced birds name correct, it is the Common Myna (no H after the A). CIMAG just wouldn’t sound the same if it was called CCMAG! Believe it or not, a correct name can be important for all sorts of reasons, especially if in a judicial sense as I saw when working at CSIRO. People often used the wrong name in court cases, or it was spelt incorrectly, and generally the case was thrown out because of it.

 

Mark

 

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Subject: FW: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

 

My initial send was rejected under the 200kb rule.  Surprising for such a modest offering.  Must be a lot of pixels in the old C of A.  They knew how to make ’em in  those days

 

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Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

 

I think the _expression_ ‘more bang for the buck’ was used , the suggestion being that there is a limit to the resources that can be marshalled in such a  cause, and hence it is reasonable to set (or reset) priorities.  The other view, as Bruce indicates, is that it might not be possible to motivate community based  culling against a native species, which is, after all, as Australian as the kangaroo. Perhaps.  Would Van Helsing have chosen another target if there were no vampires about?  As with so many things (not to mention the war), it is the simplicity of the case against the Common Myna that is its great strength.  The slightly greater complexity of the argument against the N Miner is a reason that Miner Rage might be some distance off yet.

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

 

I find the whole argument of Noisy Miners vs Common (Indian) Mynas really quite pointless and potentially confusing to a large proportion of the public who have difficulty in distinguishing the species.

 

Yes, each pose their threats to native species, but why link them or rank them?

 

Studies have shown that Noisies can have detrimental effects on native bushland by excluding smaller insectivorous native birds, but as a native species, they require a different approach than a community based culling program.

 

From my own observations, there are parts of Mulligans Flat, Goorooyarroo and Campbell Park Nature Reserves where flocks of Noisies are indirectly leading to degradation (and death) of eucalypts.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

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Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

 

The item was on ABC TV news tonight.  If you missed it go to ABC I-view and look for ABC ACT TV News.

Cheers

Bill

 

From: Rosemary Blemings [m("blemings.org","rosemary");" target="_blank">]
Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2014 5:12 PM
To: Bill & Jenny Handke
Subject: Fwd: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

 

I expect Bruce will have picked up on this but...here we go again....!

Rosemary

 

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Date: 14 December 2014 4:36:30 PM AEDT

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Subject: [canberrabirds] Noisy Miners v Indian Mynas

 

Not helpful to compare the two when they're from different families and just happen to have similar distinctive markings!

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-14/native-noisy-miners-cause-more-damage-than-introduced-species/5964328

 

Nathanael Coyne