The Atlas and Yet another listing app!

To: Grahame Rogers <>
Subject: The Atlas and Yet another listing app!
From: Graeme Stevens <>
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:24:30 +1100

It is also my understanding that there are plans to revamp the Atlas portal and 
that Birdlife have been appealing for funds to start that work.
Perhaps Andrew you could let the list know what is happening?  Many on the list 
may feel inclined to support the project and even contribute to design and 
functionality if that opportunity exists.
As a long term "Atlasser", I consider it would be a great shame indeed if the 
increasing volume of field work registered on e-bird and Eremaea did not 
contribute to what is now a long term and very rich database created over 
decades by dedicated "citizen scientists" and professional ornithologists. (the 
current Atlas registers 677,000 surveys covering 318,000 sites)
It has the great advantage (to me) of being moderated to preserve data 
integrity and I have quite rightly been asked for more detail to justify some 
of my entries which involved rarities or range extensions. The fact that I am a 
life member cuts no ice at all and nor should it! But the Atlas portal as it 
stands has the disadvantage of little personalisation. As an Atlasser I 
consider that I am contributing to an extremely valuable and long term 
endeavour but you don't get too much back for personal records and data 
manipulation. if the richness of personal utility could be enhanced it would 
now be really something! (on the other hand, it is undoubtedly more 
straightforward and economical to follow the "KISS" principle).
Double data entry has never really appealed - life's too short. So I shall 
continue with the Atlas as for me the contribution to the national biodiversity 
record holds more value than any personal record - but that's just me. My Atlas 
species list from surveys is I think around 590, no idea what my total 
Australian list is.
Seems to me that convergence of aims and objectives and some integration with 
appropriate data integrity would be just fantastic if achievable! And one thing 
I have learned in my humble career is that it is often cheaper and easier to 
re-engineer than to try to build utopia from scratch.
Good birding all on the list - whatever directions the passion takes you, 
banding, photography or personal listing  etc (and with a fervent hope this 
generates light more than heat!) 
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:09:16 +1000
> From: 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Yet another listing app!
> When Eremaea eBird was launched, there was mention of a specific 
> BirdLife Atlas entry form to ensure all the Atlas data was included in a 
> list. Currently I use the Other Area input form, but a lot of the 
> information required has to be entered in the Comments field - not a 
> very satisfactory process. And there is no certainty that the data will 
> reach the Atlas as there was with the old Eremaea.
> I understand there are plans for a new portal to the Atlas, but eBird is 
> here and now, and brilliantly easy to use. It would take very little 
> effort to add an Atlas entry form to Eremaea eBird.
> If you would use such a form, please let Eremaea and BirdLife Australia 
> know:
> and
>   If there is enough interest we may get a form!
> Regards
> Grahame Rogers
> On 17/10/2014 8:32 AM, Dave Torr wrote:
> > My understanding is that Eremaea used to be able to send stuff to the BA
> > atlas. Not sure if that happens with eBird?​
> >
> > On 17 October 2014 09:29, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
> >
> >> Given the way the message  from Konkoit appeared, I like many others
> >> assumed it was spam and thus likely to lead to getting a few things I
> >> didn't want as well as those advertised.   Since no-one from Konkoit has
> >> seen fit to disabuse this list of that notion, I at least will be staying
> >> well away from it.  (I find eBird to be very good for my purposes.)
> >>
> >> A point raised in this thread has been that of data being held in multiple
> >> locations.  I see that as an important issue given the role of data in
> >> informing EISs development approvals etc.  This isn't to say there
> >> shouldn't be multiple data capture mechanisms but the results should all
> >> end 'somewhere' agreed to be the official repository.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> Martin Butterfield
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 October 2014 07:52, Peter Shute <> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, before one rejects a new listing system perhaps one should consider
> >>> whether it's better than previous ones. Has anyone tried this Konkoit
> >>> database?
> >>>
> >>> I agree with your final point about validation. As far as I know, this
> >>> does distinguish eBird from many others, and it would be hard to beat it.
> >>>
> >>> My memory of Dave Torr's project, if it's the one I'm thnking of, was
> >>> that it was primarily intended to collate information about birding sites 
> >>> -
> >>> locations, maps, brochures, etc. A good idea, and I don't think it has 
> >>> been
> >>> made fully obsolete by the likes of eBird.

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