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The ocean is dead; a yachtsman's tale

To: Andrew Hobbs <>
Subject: The ocean is dead; a yachtsman's tale
From: Tim Jones <>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:38:03 +1100
Whatever. That's just semantics. The point is that we should all do what we can 
to make them uncomfortable.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Oct 2013, at 11:34 am, "Andrew Hobbs" <> wrote:
> 
> It is not a lot of good blaming the politicians. We (collectively) get the 
> politicians we (collectively) deserve. To a large extent they simply reflect 
> community values. Sure, some, probably even a majority, are rather gullible 
> and/or are not very good at critical appraisal of what is actually happening 
> in the world, the looming crises. Education and publicity might help but I 
> doubt it.  I suspect a much more important reason is that most choose to 
> ignore those problems. And I think they choose to ignore the situation 
> because to admit it would mean that they would then have to do something 
> about it, and that would threaten their comfortable way of life.
> As one person recently observed, "most people would be lining up to shovel 
> baby fur seals into the furnace if it meant they could maintain their 
> lifestyle just that little bit longer."
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
>> On 22/10/2013 7:25 PM, Tim Jones wrote:
>> I tend to agree and whilst the skeptics annoy me and I am certain man-made 
>> climate change is a reality, it's just a symptom of the ever increasing 
>> recklessness with which we are treating our earth. However the constant 
>> debate about it has been exploited to obscure what we really need to do, 
>> which is to protect our environment and its diversity. I fear it's way too 
>> late, but anyone with any interest in the future of our planet should be 
>> doing what they feasibly can, whether it's voting green, donating to 
>> conservation or simply carrying out voluntary work. Our politicians must be 
>> brought to account for the insanity of what they are allowing to happen 
>> while others get on with whatever else can be achieved. We can't save 
>> everything, but there must be a point at which some kind of equilibrium is 
>> reached, maybe even some improvement. And the point should be made, in any 
>> discussion, at any level.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 9:31 pm, "Geoff Hutchinson" <> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am sick and tired of hearing about Climate Change.
>>> 
>>> The climate has been changing forever and will continue to do so.
>>> 
>>> It is POLLUTION (the reduction of) that the Climate Change experts should be
>>> calling out for.
>>> 
>>> Carbon is one of them, but plastic will kill us and all the creatures first.
>>> 
>>> This is not a scientific observation it is a personal observation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sadly
>>> 
>>> Geoff Hutchinson
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