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wedgetail jail and fine

To: "'Martin Butterfield'" <>, "'Jeremy O'Wheel'" <>
Subject: wedgetail jail and fine
From: "Ross Macfarlane \(TPG\)" <>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:07:40 +1000
Because he wanted to go home.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-24/man-poisoned-wedge-tailed-eagles-in-gi
ppsland-jailed/10298426

'
Mr Silvester asked to address the magistrate and said: "[The] Wildlife
[department] have lied, they told me it would only be a fine. I just want to
put this behind me and go home."

"You'll be back home in New Zealand in a month," the magistrate told
Silvester.
'

-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus <> On Behalf Of Martin
Butterfield
Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2018 4:44 PM
To: Jeremy O'Wheel <>
Cc: birding-aus NEW <>
Subject: wedgetail jail and fine

So why did the magistrate make the statement about Silvester soon being back
in NZ?

http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/


On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 15:25, Jeremy O'Wheel <> wrote:

> You have to serve over 1 year in jail to be deported.
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 19:27 Kim Sterelny <> wrote:
>
> > Let's hope they are charged, and treated more seriously. It would be 
> > pretty appalling if the only person to face legal sanction was the 
> > one
> who
> > alerted the authorities (without insisting on immunity from 
> > prosecution first).
> >
> >
> > And yes, it is most unlikely he would be deported for this alone, 
> > and given that he is probably the least culpable, I am fine with that.
> >
> > kim
> >
> >
> > Kim Sterelny, School of Philosophy, Research School of the Social 
> > Sciences, Australian National University, Acton, 0200, ACT, 
> > Australia  or 
> >
> > 61-(0)2-6125-2886
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of
> Ross
> > Macfarlane (TPG) <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2018 6:41 PM
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] wedgetail jail and fine
> >
> > Sometimes it's worth reading the article.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-24/man-poisoned-wedge-tailed-eagles
> -in-gi
> > ABC.net.au: Page Not Found<
> >
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-24/man-poisoned-wedge-tailed-eagles
> -in-gi
> > >
> > www.abc.net.au
> > Australia's leading source of information and entertainment
> >
> >
> >
> > ppsland-jailed/10298426
> >
> > "Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning (DELWP) 
> > prosecutor Chrisanthi Paganis told the Sale Magistrates' Court that 
> > Silvester
> alerted
> > authorities to the deaths in May 2018, one month after he stopped 
> > working at the farm due to an argument with his boss, landowner John 
> > Auer.
> >
> > Silvester provided investigators with two diaries detailing the 
> > methods used and a hand-drawn map showing where the eagle carcasses 
> > were hidden and where the chemicals were stored.
> >
> > Silvester also named others involved.
> >
> > The prosecutor told the court other people were being investigated 
> > over
> the
> > killings but had not been charged."
> >
> > In other words, the person who's been convicted actually reported 
> > this matter to the authorities. Had he not done so it may never have 
> > come to light.
> >
> > Re deportation: as a country we could do with being rather less
> reflexively
> > punitive about shipping people off-shore at the first available 
> > opportunity, if I may say so.
> >
> > Ross Macfarlane
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Birding-Aus <> On Behalf Of 
> > Philip Veerman
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2018 4:52 PM
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] wedgetail jail and fine
> >
> > It is great that this event has been taken up and prosecuted. So at 
> > least things have improved. As recently as the 1970s many eagles 
> > were shot and the remains would be tied up on fences along roads. In 
> > some grotesque display of bravado maybe or even more dumb, a weird 
> > idea that eagles would see these as a warning and vacate the area. 
> > Even under long and heavy such persecution the species remained in 
> > reasonably strong numbers overall. What would
> also
> > be interesting to know is whether this mass killing of eagles had 
> > any positive benefit whatever on lamb survival. I expect it had 
> > little if any benefit. But the question is worth investigating. I 
> > assume that the poisoned lambs were already dead...... To be honest 
> > I am surprised that one person presumably in a limited are could be 
> > so destructive of a species like
> this
> > that presumably lives at a low population density.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Birding-Aus  On 
> > Behalf Of Ross Macfarlane (TPG)
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September, 2018 3:24 PM
> > To: 'michael hunter'; 
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] wedgetail jail and fine
> >
> > There has actually been a fair bit of publicity about it, e.g. on 
> > the
> ABC,
> > Weekly Times and local papers, and various opinion pieces as well it:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-07/wedge-tailed-eagles-suspected-po
> isoned
> > -in-east-gippsland/9845124
> > <
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-07/wedge-tailed-eagles-suspected-po
> isoned-in-east-gippsland/9845124
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/victoria/news-story/40c7b8d80f3
> 2ebc79
> > deaef0b6db1a0f0?nk=f33c876b60bcf8a5b645918eda0f4c3d-1537852780
> > <
> https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/victoria/news-story/40c7b8d80f3
> 2ebc79deaef0b6db1a0f0?nk=f33c876b60bcf8a5b645918eda0f4c3d-1537852780
> >
> >
> >
> https://theconversation.com/mass-slaughter-of-wedge-tailed-eagles-coul
> d-have
> > -australia-wide-consequences-98011
> > <
> https://theconversation.com/mass-slaughter-of-wedge-tailed-eagles-coul
> d-have-australia-wide-consequences-98011
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/07/more-than-100-wedg
> e-tail
> > ed-eagles-found-dead-on-victorian-farm
> > <
> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/07/more-than-100-wedg
> e-tailed-eagles-found-dead-on-victorian-farm
> >
> > etc.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Birding-Aus <> On Behalf Of 
> > michael hunter
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2018 1:39 PM
> > To: 
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] wedgetail jail and fine
> >
> > The Sale magistrate is to be very highly commended for jailing 
> > Murray
> James
> > Silvester for slaughtering Wedge-tailed Eagles.  It is unlikely that 
> > Silvester will kill native birds again.
> >
> > As a criminal could he now be deported?
> >
> > How much publicity did the magistrates decision attract ?  Apart 
> > from Birding-aus I neither saw nor heard anything about it in the 
> > National
> media
> > or elsewhere. From the Conservation view the jailing decision ought 
> > to be broadcast far and wide.  Much more so than the prolonged 
> > outcry over culling six sharks in the Whitsundays. Wedgies are a 
> > much more visible and iconic native than Tiger Sharks.
> >
> > Like genital mutilation and other unsavoury practices a small number 
> > of immigrants bring to Australia, shooting or otherwise killing our 
> > native fauna warrants zero tolerance, in Public Opinion and the 
> > Courts. Not that Australian born fauna killers are guiltless. 
> > Publicising the penalties would help a lot to minimise the killing.
> >
> >                                                Very Sincerely
> >
> >                                                          Michael
> >
> >
> >
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