I would agree with Joshua, re Cloudbirders being a valuable resource, however,
I would also remind people of Surfbirds and their trip report archive.
I have noted that most of the trip reports on Cloudbirder are from tour
companies and don’t provide a huge amount of detail regarding individual,
hard-to-get species - for obvious reasons.
I have also found them more difficult to simply print off.
Individual contributors seem to figure more on Surfbirds - and, I feel, you are
more likely to get good intel from those.
I also find them a lot easier to print off.
I usually load my trip reports to both sites.
Interestingly I loaded a trip report yesterday from my recent visit to Japan on
It’s up on Surfbirds today, but not on Cloudbirder……yet.
It took about 20 secs to load on Surfbirds, but seemed to struggle on
Cloudbirder - which makes me think it wasn’t successful, I’ll try again.
Both good sites with good info, both easy to access, maybe its a personal
> On 22 Mar 2018, at 11:02 am, Joshua Bergmark <>
> Dear all,
> I won't go in to the Facebook debate, but I want to bring the website
> cloudbirders.com to the attention of everyone.
> Cloudbirders has ultimately become the number one source of archived
> birding information in the world, and people would do well to upload trip
> reports to the website. Things cannot get lost there. It is now well-used
> over most of the planet by a large proportion of world birders, however
> Australian reports are generally lacking. It is essentially equivalent to a
> worldwide BA archive of trip reports.
> I'd love to see more people using it, especially those who are worried that
> the good old days of comprehensive trip reports are gone. Have a look at
> the website and you'll see this is far from the truth.
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 at 10:21, Jason Polak <> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> I'd like to share that I remember when Facebook first came out as a
>> company to the general public (as opposed to only being available to
>> certain universities).
>> At the time I was an undergraduate. Curious I checked it out, and read
>> didn't respect privacy, so I never signed up. To this day I've refused
>> to use their services.
>> With Facebook, you are the product. Persona data misuse is not confined
>> to the most recent scandal with Cambridge Analytica/Trump. Your data is
>> constantly misused and sold. Privacy settings frequently change randomly
>> and with little notice.
>> Also, if you use Firefox I recommend Ghostery and Privacy Badger to
>> block Facebook trackers on other websites from tracking you. And they do
>> track you, even when you're not signed in.
>> On 2018-03-21 09:07 AM, Steve Clark wrote:
>>> G'day all
>>> Is it time the managers of the various Facebook birding groups sought
>>> alternatives? I've never been comfortable with a Facebook account and
>>> have one because of the need to be in touch via the birding groups. With
>>> the recent scandal indicating high-level personal data misuse and
>>> fake news I think Facebook is really on the nose.
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