Trouble is, Andy - it's a Fantail, not a Wagtail....!!
Cheers
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Burton
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 5:54 PM
To: Peter Madvig
Cc: Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] names
Willie Wagtail = Pied Wagtail 😂😂😂
> On 24 Jan 2017, at 3:43 pm, Peter Madvig <> wrote:
>
> Freddy Fantail....??!! Ah well :-)
> Cheers
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
> John Leonard
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 7:28 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] names
>
> The problem with "Willy Fantail" is that Willie Wagtail is is an inseparable
> unit, being an Irish and Scots name for the Pied Wagtail along the lines of
> Margaret Pie = Magpie, ie a personal name followed by the bird name.
>
> If they want to rename it they have to recognise that the Willie part isn't
> an adjective, and they need to find an adjective to go with Fantail that
> distinguishes it from all the other Fantails, White-browed Fantail (for
> example, from the scientific name).
>
> John Leonard
>
>
>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 6:10 PM, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>>
>> I think these would be "re-namers" are just blowing their own trumpets to
>> gain a little notice. Forget it folks, keep using the names we all grew up
>> with, we don't NEED any new names thank you academia.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
>> michael hunter
>> Sent: 23 January 2017 16:57
>> To:
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] names
>>
>>
>> Once again a few academics, mostly not Australian, if not Un-Australian,
>> are foisting otherworldly names onto us Aussie birders.
>>
>> Common names , NOT ENGLISH names, for Australian birds are names commonly
>> used by about 99% of Australian birdwatchers for our birds. It is appalling
>> that colourless English names like Black-necked Stork have been inflicted on
>> us by a few pseudo-academics who are presumably incapable of memorising
>> Scientific names. Jabiru may be the common name of a South American Stork,
>> but changing the official “common” name for any birdwatcher witless enough
>> to confuse the two in the field was an amazing arrogance. One justification
>> was that people reading birdguides will be confused in not justified.
>>
>> These people are meddling with our Australian common names, which are , or
>> were, spontaneous non-scientific vernacular.
>> Among many examples, “Jabiru” and “Torres Straits Pigeon” had romantic (in
>> the broad sense folks) connotations lost in the bland generics we are told
>> to use instead. As a youth my first sighting of the legendary Jabiru was
>> very exciting, and stimulated a life-long interest in Birding. Seeing a
>> Black-necked Stork would not have.
>>
>> “Willy Fantail” They must be joking.
>>
>> Resist.
>>
>> Michael
>>
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