Hi all,
I have been banding birds since 1971 and as suggested I do think carefully
about the pros and cons of this activity. I get sad when I see people
suggesting that we know all that we need to know from banding when that is
patently not the case. We have only scratched the surface when it comes to
our understanding of Australia's birds and their movements. I am glad that
people are compassionate enough to be concerned about the birds' welfare as
this is paramount in my thoughts as well but please direct your concerns
where they really need to be directed - at the people clearing natural
ecosystems, at people shooting ducks for sport, at people who have cats and
dogs that are allowed to roam and kill our wildlife etc.. I know that some
people have witnessed accidents during banding activities and this has
coloured their view for life but the rare case where a bird suffers from
banding should not mean that it is not a legitimate and humane activity. I
hold an animal care and ethics approval for my banding and I am held
accountable for any losses. People who do not like birds being banded are
entitled to their opinion but, like Martin, please find out all you can
about the positives before condemning the people who are giving large
amounts of their own time and money to research the birds so that they can
be saved. The winter movement of birds such as Grey Fantails, Golden
Whistlers, Striated Pardalotes and other species from Tasmania and southern
Australia to the north coast of New South Wales and southern Queensland is
only now being recognised. We need more banders to track these movements
not less banding. Remember banders will only ever band a small percentage
of the population of any species but that percentage can provide essential
data that cannot be gathered by observation alone. It was banding that
proved that the formerly recognised two species of Silvereye in
south-eastern Australia were in fact the one species but one type was of
Tasmanian origin and the other of local origin. My banding research on the
Eastern Osprey, Black-necked Stork, Beach Stone-curlew and Australian Pied
Oystercatcher and others has provided essential data required for the
management of these threatened species. Banding is not the problem it is an
important part of the solution.
Regards
Greg
Dr Greg. P. Clancy
Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
| PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
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http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/
-----Original Message-----
From: martin cachard
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:06 PM
To: Dr Mark Carey ; geoff jones barra images ;
Subject: Re Banding trip to Buddigower Nature Reserve take
2
this is a very interesting thread & I've learnt so much already just from a
couple of posts, so thank you so far for these insights into banding.
one species I believe which could reveal some interesting findings could be
the local breeding canescens race of Black-winged Monarch, a species I've
been doing much fieldwork on in recent years...
one perplexing question for me is where do they winter when not in
Australia??
of course some banding would also need to be done in PNG or wherever else we
believe this race may winter...
I truly wonder???
any ideas on doing such a project anyone??
cheers,
martin cachard,
cairns
From:
To: ;
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:28:39 +1100
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Re Banding trip to Buddigower Nature Reserve
take 2
Hi all,
A good article that explains quite nicely why we should
continue banding and why banding schemes are important!
http://www.britishbirds.co.uk/article/bird-ringing-still-necessary/
Cheers, Mark
> From:
> To:
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:50:22 +1100
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re Banding trip to Buddigower Nature Reserve take
> 2
>
> In response to Harveys reply I need to apologise to Harvey about leaving
> the
> nets unattended as he has now said that the nets were not opened before
> they
> went off and set up camp and I have already sent a personal email to
> Harvey
> on that subject. But if you had read Harvey's Blog here is an excerpt
> from
> it; " When we arrived at Buddigower, Karen and I set to to get a few
> nets
> up before dusk, in the same area we had banded those four years
> previously,
> then went about the business of setting up camp" This quote is how I
> came
> to that conclusion, however it still does not change my point of view
> about
> banding birds in a local areas, again I ask for what purpose is it done?
>
>
>
> My personal thoughts are that a bird count done regularly by a local
> bird
> club will give you a considerable amount of information without putting
> the
> birds thru the trauma of being banded. Last Saturday afternoon I
> personally
> observed Sharp-tailed Sandpipers that had recently arrived and were
> vigorously feeding after their annual migration to our shores. They were
> feeding in one of the ponds near the Burrow Pits at the Western
> Treatment
> Plant and as they struggled to raise their legs in the soft mud I
> couldn't
> help but think that if they had large leg flags on their feet and that
> if
> birds of prey were around, which is quite common at this site, it could
> be
> the difference between life and death for those birds.
>
>
>
> Most people now know that the population of waders are dramatically
> dropping
> as many local groups throughout Australian do numerous wader counts and
> that
> information is passed on to the appropriate people and/or organizations.
>
> So why should we continue to Net, Traumatize and in some cases kill or
> maim
> birds, all for so-called research? I for one think not!
>
>
>
> Kindest Regards
>
> Geoff Jones
>
> Barra Imaging
>
>
>
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