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Pizzey & Knight

To: 'David Richardson' <>, Carl Clifford <>
Subject: Pizzey & Knight
From: Peter Shute <>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:00:46 +1000
The google problem might be a coincidence - is google working at all? 

Your computer could run slowly if the program is actually running in the 
background and has used up too much RAM, but it shouldn't affect it if it's not 
running. You might also have run out of disk space.

Do things runs normally after restarting the computer if you don't run the P&K 
program?

Which version of Windows are you running?

Peter Shute 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus 
>  On Behalf Of 
> David Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2014 2:15 PM
> To: Carl Clifford
> Cc: storm; Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Pizzey & Knight
> 
> I recently won a copy of the PC digital version of Pizzey and 
> Knight and I installed it on my computer but now my computer 
> is running slow on a lot of things and also wont google a lot 
> of stuff. Its too much of a coincidence that things that 
> worked before I put this thing on my computer now don't work. 
> Does anyone know of this problem? How do I fix it? Ive tried 
> finding how to get the thing back off my computer but cant 
> find how to.
> 
> david Richardson
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Carl Clifford 
> <>wrote:
> 
> > Russ,
> >
> > I was in the UK recently and I noticed some birders carting around 
> > both book and iPod/Pad. I did the same, taking my iPod 
> Touch, on which 
> > I had NatureGuides' "Birds of Britain & Ireland". I also took "The 
> > Crossley ID Guide". I mostly used the Crossley guide, using 
> the iPad 
> > for back-up and calls.
> >
> > One disadvantage I found with the app, is that you can't easily 
> > scribble notes on the pages.
> >
> > Carl Clifford
> >
> >
> > > On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:50, Russell Woodford 
> <> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David
> > > My suggestion is to ask another birder to show you the 
> app on their
> > phone next time you are at a twitch or birding in a group. 
> They should 
> > be able to give you an idea of what all the fuss is about!
> > >
> > > I find both Morecombe and Pizzey apps very useful for checking 
> > > calls,
> > and for comparing details on birds in the field. Eg yesterday I was 
> > seeing a lot of lorikeets and needed to remind myself of the 
> > differences in tail shape and rump colour. The presence of several 
> > hybrids made it confusing, but having this info in my hand while 
> > walking around at least made it possible to speculate on 
> the parentage of most of them!
> > >
> > > Russell
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On 26 Apr 2014, at 6:05 pm, David Richardson 
> > >> <>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thank-you everybody. If I hadn't won the free cd of it I think I 
> > >> would carry on with my books and my calls on ipod. Infact, I can 
> > >> read my field guides in bed  which I cant do with the 
> computer. And 
> > >> a book has lots of birds on each page and following 
> pages so I find 
> > >> it easier to look for a bird Im trying to identify.I 
> guess Im not 
> > >> used to how computers work
> > and am
> > >> more comfortable with a familiar field guide. I thought 
> I was going 
> > >> high tech when I bought an ipod 7 years ago and my neice put my 
> > >> BOCA calls
> > on it.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks'
> > >> David
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:46 PM, storm 
> <>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It depends on what kind of phone you buy.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you buy an iphone, no (assuming you do not have a 
> apple mac at
> > home).
> > >>> If you have a PC and buy an android then maybe.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the computer you have at the moment you can have the 
> internet, 
> > >>> the email and maybe an excel spreadsheet or word document all 
> > >>> open. You can move between the programs with the mouse.
> > >>>
> > >>> On a phone you pretty much need to close one program before you 
> > >>> open another.
> > >>>
> > >>> That you can hear bird calls when you doing other 
> things means you 
> > >>> have the Pizzey guide open. If you close the program, then the 
> > >>> sounds should stop. You might need to eject the cd from 
> the computer.
> > >>>
> > >>> good luck
> > >>>
> > >>> storm
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 26 April 2014 17:27, David Richardson 
> > >>> <
> > >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I don't understand a lot of that. I can only do one thing at a 
> > >>>> time
> > on my
> > >>>> computer. I turn it on and click on the e and it goes 
> to google. 
> > >>>> From there I use gmail and can get to birdline and 
> facebook and 
> > >>>> google things.
> > That's
> > >>>> as far as my computer knowledge goes. I put the cd for 
> pizzey and
> > knight
> > >>>> into the slot on the computer and I now have a picture of a 
> > >>>> rosella
> > next
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> the e that I can click on and it shows the pizzey and knight
> > electronic
> > >>>> version. I had to turn the speakers off because I keep hearing 
> > >>>> bird calls.Will the  "PC "pizzey and knight I have work on an 
> > >>>> iphone or whatever they are if I get one?  Or is it 
> only for the 
> > >>>> big computer at home
> > and I
> > >>>> will have to buy another one to use on a phone?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> david Richardson
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:03 PM, David Adams 
> <>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> PS  I don't know what "Android "is apart from in 
> sci-fi movies. 
> > >>>>>> Im
> > not
> > >>>>>> being silly, I genuinely don't understand the differences.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Fair enough. There's now to summarize a big subject like this 
> > >>>>> one
> > >>>> without
> > >>>>> skipping something important or saying things that while
> > approximately
> > >>>> true
> > >>>>> aren't complete. Even still, I can offer you a sketch 
> that might
> > help.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Android and iOS are the two dominant operating 
> systems out there 
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>> smart
> > >>>>> phones and tablets. For an end user, they're more the 
> same than
> > >>>> different.
> > >>>>> Which one is better? Yes ;-) They have fans and detractors on 
> > >>>>> both
> > >>>> sides,
> > >>>>> such is how it goes. Both are geared towards small screens,
> > >>>> conservation of
> > >>>>> battery life, and nearly instantaneous startup. If 
> you know how 
> > >>>>> to
> > use
> > >>>> one,
> > >>>>> you could easily figure out the other. Apps on 
> Android and iOS 
> > >>>>> often
> > >>>> look
> > >>>>> and behave very nearly identically. They are both 
> very different 
> > >>>>> from desktop computers of whatever sort you might be 
> using now. 
> > >>>>> Instead
> > of a
> > >>>>> mouse and keyboard and apps in different windows, you 
> generally 
> > >>>>> use
> > one
> > >>>> app
> > >>>>> at a time on a small screen using your fingers.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Android is developed by Google and then more-or-less 
> given away 
> > >>>>> to
> > phone
> > >>>>> makers to include on their handsets. The dominant Android 
> > >>>>> smartphone
> > >>>> maker
> > >>>>> is Samsung...but there are dozens of others.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> iOS is developed by Apple and used exclusively on 
> their hardware:
> > >>>> iPhone,
> > >>>>> iPod Touch (iPhone without a phone), and iPad.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Apple and Samsung have been in a court battle for 
> years that you 
> > >>>>> may
> > >>>> have
> > >>>>> seen in the headlines. It's pretty much about Apple 
> suing Google 
> > >>>>> by
> > >>>> proxy
> > >>>>> for cloning the iPhone. None of that matters much to 
> us as users.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You can buy a cheap Android phone at Woolies or Coles 
> for $40-80 
> > >>>>> on
> > sale
> > >>>>> but it probably won't have the memory to run the 
> Pizzey app...or 
> > >>>>> most
> > >>>> any
> > >>>>> serious birding app. Apple doesn't make low-end 
> devices but, in 
> > >>>>> many markets, completely owns the high-end. (High end 
> laptops? 
> > >>>>> They own
> > it.
> > >>>> High
> > >>>>> end phones? They share it.) If you're in the price range of 
> > >>>>> Apple's products, their kit is competitively priced with 
> > >>>>> comparable gear. If
> > you
> > >>>>> want something cheaper, they just don't do that. I've got a 
> > >>>>> couple of Android phones (love them), an old iPod 
> Touch (works 
> > >>>>> great, even
> > years
> > >>>>> later), and the new iPad Mini. I have to say, the Mini is the
> > greatest
> > >>>>> gadget in the history of gadgets, so far as I can 
> tell. With a 
> > >>>>> sturdy
> > >>>> case,
> > >>>>> it can go in my bag and I've got thousands of pages 
> of birding 
> > >>>>> info,
> > >>>> sounds
> > >>>>> and pictures from around the world. Magic. Oh, none of these 
> > >>>>> devices
> > are
> > >>>>> easy to read in bright light. So, books and pads of 
> paper still 
> > >>>>> have
> > >>>> their
> > >>>>> place, to be sure. (I prefer paper guides for areas I 
> don't know 
> > >>>>> as I
> > >>>> flip
> > >>>>> through the pages a lot.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> To buy apps for either platform, you go through a 
> store. In the 
> > >>>>> case
> > of
> > >>>>> iOS, it's Apple's iTunes App Store. For Android, 
> you've got choices.
> > The
> > >>>>> biggest and most trusted is Google's Play store. Many 
> apps are free.
> > >>>> When
> > >>>>> you buy an app, it's usually licensed for one account on 
> > >>>>> multiple
> > >>>> devices.
> > >>>>> So, if you have a tablet and a phone you can often 
> buy one copy 
> > >>>>> of
> > the
> > >>>> app
> > >>>>> and legally use it on your two devices. With Apple, 
> the license 
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>> always
> > >>>>> for 5 devices, so far as I know. For Android, it 
> depends a bit. 
> > >>>>> If
> > you
> > >>>> buy
> > >>>>> an Android version you don't get a license for iOS or 
> the other 
> > >>>>> way
> > >>>> around.
> > >>>>> Just like buying Office for Windows doesn't let you 
> run Office 
> > >>>>> for
> > Mac.
> > >>>>> Different OS, different license. And, yes, Microsoft 
> does make a
> > phone
> > >>>>> operating system and just finished buying Nokia something like
> > >>>> yesterday.
> > >>>>> Windows Phone isn't Windows, is getting increasingly positive
> > >>>> reviews...and
> > >>>>> has a trivial market share for now. So, you don't see so many 
> > >>>>> apps
> > for
> > >>>>> that.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Colin R asked: "why is it cheaper for androids?"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Probably because Android users are, as a market, far, 
> far, far 
> > >>>>> less inclined to spend money on apps. I assume that 
> Guy Gibbons 
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>> attempting to
> > >>>>> get the best price he can for his efforts, and fair enough. 
> > >>>>> Also, if
> > the
> > >>>>> Android version is licensed for two devices and the 
> iOS one for
> > >>>> five...some
> > >>>>> people will find it cheaper on iOS. Birding apps as a 
> category 
> > >>>>> are
> > some
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>> the more expensive apps I've seen on either platform.
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