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Shooting coots

To: Dave Torr <>
Subject: Shooting coots
From: Peter Shute <>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:45:32 +1000
I suspect it's more a case of coots not being good to shoot. They tend to stay 
on the water, or to fly  low above it, so they wouldn't present the nice 
overhead target that ducks give. It seems they're legal game in the USA, but 
that species might fly high more readily.

Peter Shute

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On 24/05/2013, at 4:23 PM, "Dave Torr" <> wrote:

> Maybe - as theoretically the shooting is for food (!) - a coot is not too
> good to eat?
> 
> On 24 May 2013 13:51, David Stowe <> wrote:
> 
>> I think you are looking at it the wrong way Jeremy.
>> As you said, You should be asking why some species are allowed to be
>> hunted? Are they so overpopulated etc?
>> There's nothing that i know of about a Coot that makes it special - its
>> the same as the majority of other species that aren't on the "allowed to
>> hunt" list. The default position (thankfully) is that all species of birds
>> are protected - except for a small number of permitted ones.
>> Why they aren't protected is indeed the question!
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On 23/05/2013, at 10:53 PM, "Jeremy O'Wheel" <> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, so then why are some duck species allowed to be hunted?  What is it
>>> about coots that means they weren't put on the list of birds that can be
>>> hunted?  Is it a low population thing, or something else?
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 May 2013 22:27,  <
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jeremy,
>>>> All native species of birds are protected in Victoria with permits being
>>>> required to capture, tag, shoot or otherwise. In regards to capture and
>>>> tag, researchers need animal ethics approval before DEPI (Dept of
>>>> Environment and Primary Industries - formerly DSE) will issue a research
>>>> permit. Game shooters need a gun licence and do the duck id test, while
>>>> those culling cockies etc need to apply to depi for a permit to cull a
>> set
>>>> number.
>>>> 
>>>> Yours in all things "green"
>>>> 
>>>> John Harris
>>>> Croydon, Vic
>>>> Owner - Wildlife Experiences
>>>> Ecologist/Zoologist
>>>> Nature Photographer
>>>> Wildlife Guide
>>>> 
>>>> 0409090955
>>>> 
>>>> President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria
>>>> (www.fncv.org.au)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>> From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" <>
>>>> To: "Debbie Lustig" <>
>>>> Cc: "birding-aus" <>
>>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Shooting coots
>>>> Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 20:45
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This might be a silly question, but why are coots protected? Is it
>> because
>>>> of population numbers, or because historically they're not eaten? Or
>> some
>>>> othere reason?
>>>> 
>>>> Jeremy
>>>> On 23/05/2013 3:52 PM, "Debbie Lustig" <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> With three weeks of the season to go, Coalition Against Duck Shooting
>>>>> rescuers have retrieved fully 224 dead coots and taken 30 wounded coots
>>>> to
>>>>> veterinary care. If you find this unacceptable, please write to the
>>>>> Premier,
>>>>> your local state MP, and the shadow Opposition Leader, Daniel Andrews.
>>>>> 
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