Red Goshawk harrassment

To: "'Birding Aus'" <>
Subject: Red Goshawk harrassment
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:28:47 +1000
I was going to respond to Richard Baxter exactly as Carl Clifford has done.
Although I suspect Richard was teasing. Actually all good points and fair to
raise the issues yet again. But as others have commented, it is not exactly
clear what happened in this case that Denise reported and who and how the
birds were disturbed and what impact that had. Also about the suggestion of
Carl Weber that "The bird protection law that I envisage would make it an
offence to climb the tree, take eggs, shoot anywhere near the birds, camp
within say 200 m, or in any way seriously disturb the nesting birds." This
would seem hard to envisage. Not every camper knows the difference between a
Red Goshawk and a Galah, so expecting random travelling campers to know
where such sensitive fauna (of many species) exist and avoid the area by as
much as 200 m, would appear unlikely to happen.


-----Original Message-----From: 
 On Behalf Of Carl Clifford
Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012 1:18 PM    To: Richard Baxter      Cc: Denise
Goodfellow; Birding Aus
Subject: Red Goshawk harrassment


You are pulling a bit of a long bow there, unless you have hard data to
prove you statement. Or is this one of those "facts that everyone knows".

Carl Clifford

On 17/08/2012, at 1:06 PM, Richard Baxter <> wrote:

> Steve, Shirley, Denise
> Our scientific community traps, mist nets, tags, bands, handles, takes 
> blood samples, cannon nets, radio tags, egg collects, shoots and 
> generally disturbs more birds in any week of the year than all 
> Australia's twitchers combined over the last 100years!
> Mmmmmm!
> Cheers
> Richard


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