Depends on the software - the ones I looked at (some time ago I must admit)
did not allow for the creation of new "countries" - which is what I guess
you would have to call it - because if you said it was a territiory of Aus
then it would add the birds to your Aus list. Of course I haven't looked at
all birding software (and I ended up writing my own which does use political
boundaries) - I would be interested to know if any commercially available
software allows you to create a CI list and NOT have the birds added to your
Aussie list!
On 9 January 2011 13:06, david taylor <> wrote:
> Pretty easy Dave re recording - you create a list - Birds of Christmas
> island!
>
>
> On 09/01/2011, at 12:02 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
>
> I guess since the "official" list (whatever that means!) is C&B plus BARC
> (and let us not re-open that discussion!) and they count these territories
> then it is reasonable for Aussie birders to count the birds. And since most
> birding software that I have seen is based on country lists if you go to
> Christmas and do not deem it to be part of Australia how do you record the
> sightings?
>
> For better or worse the definitions of countries and territories are fairly
> static (and the questionable boundaries are usually not ones that birders
> would to choose to visit) whereas I have seen various definitions of faunal
> regions and so we could then perhaps start a debate on which definition of
> faunal regions we should use (please - no!) - and then I guess one gets
> vagrants to a faunal region as well from the next region and people would go
> to the boundaries of a region in the hope of vagrants :-)
>
> On 9 January 2011 12:56, david taylor <>wrote:
>
>> Another who agrees - I would love to bird Christmas Island and the Cocos
>> Islands but this recent notion that they are part of the Australian bird
>> list is in my opinion flawed - they may be Australian Territories but are
>> vast distances from Australia, Surley just because they are Australian
>> territories does not make them Australian birds?
>>
>> I pose the scenario that if next year a country in South America became an
>> Australian Territory that some of our twitchers would be adding Toucans to
>> the Australian list - this may seem silly but in reality what is the
>> difference in the two scenarios. I struggle too see how distance can form
>> the basis of the argument? Cocos islands are 3600 kms due west of Darwin.
>> Darwin to Thailand is less distance - if it became a territory would we be
>> adding all of their birds?
>>
>> I would be interested to hear the attitude of those who do believe these
>> birds are valid on the Australian list because they are Australian
>> Territories and if so what would be the difference if indeed we gained a new
>> territory in a place like Sth America or Asia?
>>
>> And as Tom points out - do the French birders add New Caledonia birds
>> because its a territory of theirs?
>>
>> Seems its great sport for our twitchers (and absolutely nothing wrong with
>> that) - but a long bow for mine that they form part of the Australian bird
>> list.
>>
>> But each to his own and great birding all.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> David Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2011, at 10:32 AM, Carl Clifford wrote:
>>
>> > Tom,
>> >
>> > I heartily agree. You could almost say that birding on Christmas and
>> Cocos was SE Asian birding for xenophobes, except for the fact that the
>> population of Cocos is mainly Malay and the population of Christmas is
>> mainly Middle Eastern, albeit they are banged-up in a concentration camp
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Carl Clifford
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/01/2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom Tarrant wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Frank,
>> >
>> > I think you are missing the point regarding that comment, as exciting as
>> > Christmas and Cocos sound (I would love to go birding there!) they are
>> not
>> > in the same faunal zone as Australia so many birders don't see the
>> > relevance. You may as well go New Caledonia and add those species to
>> your
>> > 'French' list.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> And I remember there was a comment about the possible Short-toed Eagle
>> in
>> >> Victoria being better than the rarities reported on Cocos and Christmas
>> in
>> >> December. Sorry. Not even close!!! I saw 11 new birds for my
>> Australian
>> >> list, and I dipped on two. Even Mike Carter added 9 birds to his
>> Australian
>> >> list.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > --
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>> > Kobble Creek, Qld
>> >
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