Pretty easy Dave re recording - you create a list - Birds of Christmas island!
On 09/01/2011, at 12:02 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
> I guess since the "official" list (whatever that means!) is C&B plus BARC
> (and let us not re-open that discussion!) and they count these territories
> then it is reasonable for Aussie birders to count the birds. And since most
> birding software that I have seen is based on country lists if you go to
> Christmas and do not deem it to be part of Australia how do you record the
> sightings?
>
> For better or worse the definitions of countries and territories are fairly
> static (and the questionable boundaries are usually not ones that birders
> would to choose to visit) whereas I have seen various definitions of faunal
> regions and so we could then perhaps start a debate on which definition of
> faunal regions we should use (please - no!) - and then I guess one gets
> vagrants to a faunal region as well from the next region and people would go
> to the boundaries of a region in the hope of vagrants :-)
>
> On 9 January 2011 12:56, david taylor <> wrote:
> Another who agrees - I would love to bird Christmas Island and the Cocos
> Islands but this recent notion that they are part of the Australian bird list
> is in my opinion flawed - they may be Australian Territories but are vast
> distances from Australia, Surley just because they are Australian
> territories does not make them Australian birds?
>
> I pose the scenario that if next year a country in South America became an
> Australian Territory that some of our twitchers would be adding Toucans to
> the Australian list - this may seem silly but in reality what is the
> difference in the two scenarios. I struggle too see how distance can form the
> basis of the argument? Cocos islands are 3600 kms due west of Darwin. Darwin
> to Thailand is less distance - if it became a territory would we be adding
> all of their birds?
>
> I would be interested to hear the attitude of those who do believe these
> birds are valid on the Australian list because they are Australian
> Territories and if so what would be the difference if indeed we gained a new
> territory in a place like Sth America or Asia?
>
> And as Tom points out - do the French birders add New Caledonia birds because
> its a territory of theirs?
>
> Seems its great sport for our twitchers (and absolutely nothing wrong with
> that) - but a long bow for mine that they form part of the Australian bird
> list.
>
> But each to his own and great birding all.
>
> cheers
>
> David Taylor
>
>
>
> On 09/01/2011, at 10:32 AM, Carl Clifford wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > I heartily agree. You could almost say that birding on Christmas and Cocos
> > was SE Asian birding for xenophobes, except for the fact that the
> > population of Cocos is mainly Malay and the population of Christmas is
> > mainly Middle Eastern, albeit they are banged-up in a concentration camp
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Carl Clifford
> >
> >
> > On 09/01/2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom Tarrant wrote:
> >
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > I think you are missing the point regarding that comment, as exciting as
> > Christmas and Cocos sound (I would love to go birding there!) they are not
> > in the same faunal zone as Australia so many birders don't see the
> > relevance. You may as well go New Caledonia and add those species to your
> > 'French' list.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >> And I remember there was a comment about the possible Short-toed Eagle in
> >> Victoria being better than the rarities reported on Cocos and Christmas in
> >> December. Sorry. Not even close!!! I saw 11 new birds for my Australian
> >> list, and I dipped on two. Even Mike Carter added 9 birds to his
> >> Australian
> >> list.
> >>
> >>
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