I bow to the moderators' views of course, but I would have thought that
anything that potentially has an impact on birds - and environmental
degradation, whether caused by global warming or population pressures,
certainly will have an impact - is a suitable topic to raise on BA. I would
hope that all BA readers are concerned about the environment and will
consider it as an issue (maybe not their most important one) in all
elections, whether local, state or federal.
On 10 August 2010 16:03, Bob Cook <> wrote:
> A bit off topic for this forum???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Dave Torr
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:08 AM
> To: Greg Little
> Cc: birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Dick Smith's Population Puzzle
>
> Statistically boat people are insignificant - a few thousand in a growth
> measured in the hundreds of thousands. There are I think three issues that
> need to be thought about:
>
> Firstly what is our ideal population - those in favour of growth point to
> the "fact" that our whole economic system is based on growth and without an
> ever expanding population this is difficult to achieve. There is indeed
> some
> basis to this - but we cannot grow exponentially for ever. Where do you
> stop
> - 35 million? 100 million? 1 billion? Proponents of growth should either
> state the limit they think we should reach - and how we will tackle the
> problems that - according to them - only growth can solve when we reach
> that
> limit, or else adopt the approach that we can grow without any limit ever.
> Having determine our ideal population how do we reach that figure? If we
> need to grow do we do it by encouraging the existing population to breed
> more or do we encourage more migrants?
> Finally if we are to increase by migration then we can have the debate on
> skilled migrants (which tend to such skills from less well off countries)
> or
> family reunion or refugees.....
>
> On 10 August 2010 10:59, Greg Little <> wrote:
>
> > Dave
> >
> > Should be a good film. I'm for a smaller population, and no boat people.
> >
> > Greg Little
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > On Behalf Of Dave Torr
> > Sent: Tuesday, 10 August 2010 8:46 AM
> > To: birding-aus
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Dick Smith's Population Puzzle
> >
> > I had the good fortune last night to attend the launch of Dick Smith's
> film
> > "Population Puzzle". The event was hosted by Kelvin Thomson - the only
> > Federal MP who has been prepared to speak out consistently against a "Big
> > Australia" and Dick himself was in attendance at the end to answer
> > questions. The film is wide ranging, looking at development issues, why
> we
> > need to import skilled labour (and the effect this has on developing
> > countries), food resources (if we keep paying farmers to stop growing
> > things
> > what does the future hold) and greenhouse gases (hard to take from
> someone
> > travelling around by helicopter and large 4WD!). Inevitably the film is
> > simplistic in places and one-sided, but hopefully will stimulate debate.
> As
> > birders we should surely be concerned about how much space will be left
> for
> > birds in a country of 35million!
> >
> > The film shows on ABC1 on Thu 12th 8:30pm.
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