Buff-breasted Sandpiper

[L&L Knight <>]

Russell, I think this episode demonstrates the need for a code of
behaviour on the part of people who post items to birding-aus.  It is  
not acceptable for people to hurl personal insults in a public forum
like this.

Regards, Laurie.

On 02/03/2009, at 8:08 AM, Russell Woodford wrote:

> Just to add my personal comment, rather than with my moderator hat on:
>
> We are facing the prospect of being locked out of all Cheetham
> sites, and most likely all the South Australian ones, because the
> owners are concerned about birders not observing all their safety
> protocols, and thereby exposing the company to legal action.
> Quite a few property owners have refused access for birders because  
> of the actions of a small number of irresponsible visitors.
> I'm in no way suggesting that Alex or anyone else on this forum is
> irresponsible when visiting private property, but please remember
> that access is a very delicate issue in many places. We all need to  
> be careful not to do anything - or even SAY anything - that might
> get property owners offside about allowing birders to go on their
> property.
>
> Now with the moderator hat on:  I think this topic is closed unless  
> new information comes to light.
> Thanks everyone
>
> Russell Woodford
>
> Birding-Aus List Owner
>
> Geelong   Victoria   Australia
> http://www.birding-aus.org
>
>
>
> On 02/03/2009, at 8:25 AM, David Stowe wrote:
>
> > Gee .. how to win friends and influence people eh!
> >
> > How insulting of you to urge Chris to get out of his comfort zone
> > and help the community! I think that Chris has indeed helped the
> > COMMUNITY Alex. He has obviously put alot of effort into gaining
> > access to an area and building a relationship so that he can do
> > regular wader counts. This surveys are very valuable to the birding  
> > community and organisations such as the BA Atlas. Reporting a
> > rarity and getting great photos of the bird also helps the
> > COMMUNITY. Birding-Aus is part of the community too and i have
> > enjoyed immensely hearing about the bird and seeing the photos! If  
> > you really cared about helping the community why do you only want
> > BARC to be told about it!
> > Face it, Chris' efforts ARE benefiting the community - Just not you  
> > PERSONALLY!
> > He also already hinted that he is trying to see what he can do to
> > gain further access.
> > I'm sure you're email will no doubt urge him on to call you
> > personally as soon as this has been arranged. Wait by the phone!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 02/03/2009, at 7:11 AM, Alex Farias wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > So correct me if I’m wrong, it’s a private property…  (Like many
> > where other twtichable rarities show up) and you just don’t  want  
> > to bother the owner….
> > Ok,  I just not sure that you don’t get pleasure from gripping off  
> > others… If you didn’t you would get out of you comfort zone and  
> > help the community.
> > If you don’t want us to see it, next time there is no need to
> > report to everyone in the list with pictures, etc… only the
> > rarities committee should know.
> >
> >
> > I usually a very friendly guy, but lifers are hard to come by this  
> > days, and when a duffer it’s showing off that he saw the third or  
> > fourth record of a BBS in Australia, posting pictures and a note:
> > “by the way folks, I’m the only one allowed to see it, please don’t
> > ask me where I saw it”.  It’s kind of upsetting.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Chris Barnes <>
> > To: Chris Sanderson <>; Alex Farias 
> > <
> > >; Birding Aus <>
> > Sent: Sunday, 1 March, 2009 6:55:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
> >
> >
> > Thanks Chris,
> >
> > I was wondering how to tackle this inevitable debate. It’s not a  
> > military area but access to the site is for surveys only at this
> > stage & carry strict regulations. No viewing areas from public
> > roads exist. As one who has gained the trust of the folk who run
> > it, I am not willing to compromise this. At this stage no access
> > will be allowed during the working week. If there is the
> > possibility of getting in later, I will let everyone know when & if  
> > I get the go ahead. I don’t get pleasure from gripping off others & 
> > would love everyone who wants to see this bird have a chance at it.  
> > It is a wader tho & at this time of year anything could happen.
> > Apologies for the anguish this might cause. I know how I’d feel if  
> > it were a Nordmann’s Greenshank!  I did think twice about reporting 
> > it for this reason but suppressing it wouldn’t have been looked
> > kindly upon either.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From:Chris Sanderson 
> > Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 10:29 AM
> > To: Alex Farias; Chris Barnes; Birding Aus
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > My guess is that Chris has been granted permission to access a
> > sensitive area (military perhaps?) that no one else is likely to be  
> > granted access to for any reason.  Knowing where the bird is would  
> > only tempt people to break in so why give them that temptation?
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Tony Russell
> > <> wrote:
> > I wish he was kidding but I don't think so.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> >  On Behalf Of Alex Farias
> > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:15 AM
> > To: Chris Barnes; Birding Aus
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
> >
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > You Kidding, right?
> >
> > Why it is not twichtable?
> >
> > rgs
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Chris Barnes <>
> > To: Birding Aus <>
> > Sent: Saturday, 28 February, 2009 6:14:17 PM
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > This morning had a Buff-breasted Sandpiper in Bundaberg (SEQld) for  
> > 2.5
> > hrs with Nev Cap ell whilst doing a regular count. It was
> > eventually put
> > off by a sea-eagle & has not been seen since. Unfortunately the
> > area has
> > restricted access & the bird will not be twitchable so please don't  
> > ask
> > me for specific site details.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > Ps I have got pictures but contact me if interested rather than
> > send to
> > the B-Aus list please.
> >
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