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Subject: Birdstack
From: Peter Ewin <>
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:23:59 +1100
Thanks to Clive (and Murray) who responded to this e-mail about the IOC list 
(sorry for the delay I have been off chasing frogs in Yanga NP for the last few 
The thing to note of course is that they have made taxonomic decisions. There 
are a number of species that are listed on the website (such as splitting the 
Spot-billed Duck -
Anas poecilorhyncha - into three species (and listing common names for each) 
which isn't reflected in any of the recent taxonomic references (including 
Zoonomen and Avibase
 - the latter splits into two). This may have been published recently so will 
be included in future updates.
Maybe G&W nned to put the info on taxonomy that is in the book on the website 
so as to minimise the confusion.
Saying this, Christidis & Boles really throws some interesting changes up and I 
look forward to reading details on some of their decision more closely.

To: ; : Re: [Birding-Aus] 
BirdstackDate: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:51:38 -0500From: 
Greetings,There seems to have been much conjecture but little evidence that 
anyone consulted the source.In the book 'Birds of the World - Recommended 
English Names' the authors, Frank Gill and Minturn Wright, state in their 
Introduction that 'This is not primarily a taxonomic work.'They then say that 
it 'supplements the third edition (Dickinson 2003) of Howard and Moore's (H&M) 
Checklist of Birds of the World. We started with the world list of Sibley and 
Monroe (1990). In the end, we adopted H&M as the taxonomic reference for this 
work.'They then went on to point out that a number of areas may see overhauls 
of relationships and classification, but that they 'adhered to H&M's 
conservative species taxonomy, unless committee chairs requested otherwise.'For 
the record, the committee chair for Australasia was Richard Schodde. There is 
much more of course, but I don't trust my typing skills too far, and I would 
not like to misrepresent the book or the authors.Regards, Clive.

-----Original Message-----From: Peter Ewin <>To: Dave Torr 
<>; ? birding-aus <>Sent: Mon, 21 
Jan 2008 3:05 pmSubject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Birdstack

Did you derive your comparison list from the Book itself or from the information
on the website? I haven't bought the book (after buying Clements & Howard &
Moore I thought an internet resource would be enough). However, there taxonomy
is obviously different from both (though what I have looked at slightly closer
to H&M) but I could find no information on tthe website regarding how they
decided the taxonomy to use (though lots of details on how they came up with the
accepted common names and reactions from bird groups though I note nothing from
Birds Australia at this stage).
Any ideas on this would be appreciated.
Peter> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:20:21 +1100> From: > To:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Birdstack>
CC: > > Aren't names wonderful! The current IOC list
compared to Birdlife Int and> Clements 6 is on my website at> Or you could check out>> > But I agree on taxonomy - will be
interesting to see how quickly the 3> Aussie ones update for the new C&B - will
this new one cope with those> changes? And then there is the issue of what to do
when the Aussie treatment> differs from the International one, as I understand
is the case for> Albatrosses. Should an Aussie site use C&B for endemics and
International> recommendations for albatrosses etc? Or should it (for those
with> international pretensions such as Eremaea?) use both depending on where
you> are birding????> > On 21/01/2008, Russell Woodford 
wrote:> >> > One more concern about the increase in online bird databases is> >
consistency - Birdstack looks very user-friendly, but I'm not sure about> > the
taxonomic choices it has made. I would have thought that a database> > would use
one of the "standard" references, Sibley & Monroe or Clements or> > their
derivatives. Birdstack instead uses "International Ornithological> > Congress's
Birds of the World: Recommended English Names"(Gill and> > Wright). Is this now
the standard reference? Is it derived from S&M or> > Clements? It isn't really
clear, and it probably should be clear - or> > maybe the IOC list renders these
other lists obsolete?> >> > Anyway, my point is that not only do we have another
online database (a> > way of aggregating all the records of all the big online
databases would> > make more sense) but we seem to have yet another way of
naming the world's> > birds! Too confusing for me.> >> > All I wanted was some
more information on the elusive Large Lifou> > White-Eye - but now I see that it
is called the Forest White-Eye.> > Obviously I was looking for the wrong
bird!!!!!> >> > (More about my total failure to see an "easy" endemic later when
I write> > up my trip report ...)> >> > Russell Woodford> >> >> > --> > This
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