To: Dave Torr <>, ? birding-aus <>
Subject: Birdstack
From: Peter Ewin <>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:05:31 +1100
Did you derive your comparison list from the Book itself or from the 
information on the website? I haven't bought the book (after buying Clements & 
Howard & Moore I thought an internet resource would be enough). However, there 
taxonomy is obviously different from both (though what I have looked at 
slightly closer to H&M) but I could find no information on tthe website 
regarding how they decided the taxonomy to use (though lots of details on how 
they came up with the accepted common names and reactions from bird groups 
though I note nothing from Birds Australia at this stage).
Any ideas on this would be appreciated.
Peter> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:20:21 +1100> From: > To: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] 
Birdstack> CC: > > Aren't names wonderful! The current 
IOC list compared to Birdlife Int and> Clements 6 is on my website at> Or you could check out>> > But I agree on taxonomy - will be 
interesting to see how quickly the 3> Aussie ones update for the new C&B - will 
this new one cope with those> changes? And then there is the issue of what to 
do when the Aussie treatment> differs from the International one, as I 
understand is the case for> Albatrosses. Should an Aussie site use C&B for 
endemics and International> recommendations for albatrosses etc? Or should it 
(for those with> international pretensions such as Eremaea?) use both depending 
on where you> are birding????> > On 21/01/2008, Russell Woodford 
<> wrote:> >> > One more concern about the 
increase in online bird databases is> > consistency - Birdstack looks very 
user-friendly, but I'm not sure about> > the taxonomic choices it has made. I 
would have thought that a database> > would use one of the "standard" 
references, Sibley & Monroe or Clements or> > their derivatives. Birdstack 
instead uses "International Ornithological> > Congress's Birds of the World: 
Recommended English Names"(Gill and> > Wright). Is this now the standard 
reference? Is it derived from S&M or> > Clements? It isn't really clear, and it 
probably should be clear - or> > maybe the IOC list renders these other lists 
obsolete?> >> > Anyway, my point is that not only do we have another online 
database (a> > way of aggregating all the records of all the big online 
databases would> > make more sense) but we seem to have yet another way of 
naming the world's> > birds! Too confusing for me.> >> > All I wanted was some 
more information on the elusive Large Lifou> > White-Eye - but now I see that 
it is called the Forest White-Eye.> > Obviously I was looking for the wrong 
bird!!!!!> >> > (More about my total failure to see an "easy" endemic later 
when I write> > up my trip report ...)> >> > Russell Woodford> >> >> > --> > 
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