Subject: Birdstack
From: Clive Nealon <>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:51:38 -0500

There seems to have been much conjecture but little evidence that anyone 
consulted the source.
In the book 'Birds of the World - Recommended English Names' the authors, Frank 
Gill and Minturn Wright, state in their Introduction that 'This is not 
primarily a taxonomic work.'
They then say that it 'supplements the third edition (Dickinson 2003) of Howard 
and Moore's (H&M) Checklist of Birds of the World. We started with the world 
list of Sibley and Monroe (1990). In the end, we adopted H&M as the taxonomic 
reference for this work.'
They then went on to point out that a number of areas may see overhauls of 
relationships and classification, but that they 'adhered to H&M's conservative 
species taxonomy, unless committee chairs requested otherwise.'
For the record, the committee chair for Australasia was Richard Schodde. 
There is much more of course, but I don't trust my typing skills too far, and I 
would not like to misrepresent the book or the authors.

Regards, Clive.



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Ewin <>
To: Dave Torr <>; ? birding-aus <>
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 3:05 pm
Subject: Birdstack

Did you derive your comparison list from the Book itself or from the 
on the website? I haven't bought the book (after buying Clements & Howard & 
Moore I thought an internet resource would be enough). However, there taxonomy 
is obviously different from both (though what I have looked at slightly closer 
to H&M) but I could find no information on tthe website regarding how they 
decided the taxonomy to use (though lots of details on how they came up with 
accepted common names and reactions from bird groups though I note nothing from 
Birds Australia at this stage).
Any ideas on this would be appreciated.
Peter> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:20:21 +1100> From: > To: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] 
CC: > > Aren't names wonderful! The current IOC list 
compared to Birdlife Int and> Clements 6 is on my website at> Or you could check out>> > But I agree on taxonomy - will be 
interesting to see how quickly the 3> Aussie ones update for the new C&B - will 
this new one cope with those> changes? And then there is the issue of what to 
when the Aussie treatment> differs from the International one, as I understand 
is the case for> Albatrosses. Should an Aussie site use C&B for endemics and 
International> recommendations for albatrosses etc? Or should it (for those 
with> international pretensions such as Eremaea?) use both depending on where 
you> are birding????> > On 21/01/2008, Russell Woodford 
wrote:> >> > One more concern about the increase in online bird databases is> > 
consistency - Birdstack looks very user-friendly, but I'm not sure about> > the 
taxonomic choices it has made. I would have thought that a database> > would 
one of the "standard" references, Sibley & Monroe or Clements or> > their 
derivatives. Birdstack instead uses "International Ornithological> > Congress's 
Birds of the World: Recommended English Names"(Gill and> > Wright). Is this now 
the standard reference? Is it derived from S&M or> > Clements? It isn't really 
clear, and it probably should be clear - or> > maybe the IOC list renders these 
other lists obsolete?> >> > Anyway, my point is that not only do we have 
online database (a> > way of aggregating all the records of all the big online 
databases would> > make more sense) but we seem to have yet another way of 
naming the world's> > birds! Too confusing for me.> >> > All I wanted was some 
more information on the elusive Large Lifou> > White-Eye - but now I see that 
is called the Forest White-Eye.> > Obviously I was looking for the wrong 
bird!!!!!> >> > (More about my total failure to see an "easy" endemic later 
I write> > up my trip report ...)> >> > Russell Woodford> >> >> > --> > This 
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