Yes, I realise that. But many birders such as the Americans I guide
generally enjoy knowing about the Aboriginal side of thing. So in ³Birds of
Australia¹s Top End² I give the official names plus alternatives and
Kunwinjku.
Denise
On 26/7/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Torr" <> wrote:
> Aboriginal words for endemic species would be an interesting idea to promote -
> although I am guessing (as an ignorant Pom) that different language groups
> would have different names for the same bird? Certainly there is increasing
> acceptance of some such names for native mammals. But gets mighty confusing
> for non endemics. And I guess the new C&B (due real soon now!) will probably
> not adopt this idea,
>
> On 26/07/07, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
>> I am glad you like it. I think it's terrific. I also like Djut djut (Brown
>> Falcon). And what about Kolariwikwik for wading birds?
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26/7/07 4:25 PM, "Gregory Little" <
>> <> > wrote:
>>
>>> > Gooday birders
>>> >
>>> > Now that I have a bit of the history of this birds name I am happy to
>>> > call it "Djagana". I was proud of the word Jabiru until I was informed
>>> > that it is not even indigenous and is also applied to overseas birds.
>>> > Black-necked Stork, while descriptive is too much of a mouthful. Djagana
>>> > sounds great.
>>> >
>>> > Greg Little
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From:
>>> >
>>> <> ] On Behalf Of Denise
>>> > Goodfellow
>>> > Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 4:20 PM
>>> > To: Greg; michael hunter; Birding-aus
>>> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Whats in a name
>>> >
>>> > Most of my American birding clients call the bird Jabiru. Years ago I
>>> > recommended Djagana (Kunwinjku), or Australasian Jabiru. So Greg, how
>>> > about
>>> > the former? At least my Indigenous relatives in the Top End will feel
>>> > they're at long last getting some sort of recognition!
>>> > Denise
>>> > Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
>>> > 1/7 Songlark Street
>>> > BAKEWELL NT 0832
>>> > Ph. 61 08 89 328306
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> > On 26/7/07 3:01 PM, "Greg" <
>>> <> > wrote:
>>> >
>>>> >> As I am presently putting the finishing touches to my PhD thesis on
>>> > the
>>>> >> Black-necked Stork I had been avoiding the temptation to enter the
>>> > naming
>>>> >> debate but as the stork's name has been raised (AGAIN!!) I feel I must
>>>> >> reply.
>>>> >> Michael you are able to call the Black-necked Stork "Jabiru' or even
>>>> >> 'Policemanbird' if you like but please, when communicating with
>>> > others,
>>>> >> particularly those learning the 'accepted common names', don't create
>>> > more
>>>> >> confusion than is already the case.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The people who imposed 'Black-necked Stork' on us are no longer with
>>> > us so
>>>> >> it is no point blaming current 'authorities'. The name 'Black-necked
>>> > Stork'
>>>> >> has been applied to the species in India since at least 1890 (Hume
>>> > 1890) and
>>>> >> in Australia at least 1900 (Campbell 1900).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I agree that the name is not popular but to call our bird 'Jabiru' is
>>> > akin
>>>> >> to calling our Emu an 'Ostrich'. Because Black-necked Stork is an
>>> > unwieldy
>>>> >> word with little colour I recommended that our birds (Australia and
>>> > New
>>>> >> Guinea) be called the 'Satin Stork' when the species is finally split
>>> > from
>>>> >> the Asian birds and this name has been accepted by Bird Australia. It
>>> > won't
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> happening in the upcoming Christidis and Boles as more genetic work is
>>>> >> required but initial results indicate that there are two species.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Without wanting to be rude (to the Jabiru) it is not that similar to
>>> > our
>>>> >> stork and is certainly not as beautiful. Our birds are closer to the
>>>> >> Saddlebill Stork of South Africa so maybe we should call our birds
>>>> >> 'Australian Saddlebills' - no, just joking!!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Greg Clancy
>>>> >>
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