Whats in a name

To: Gregory Little <>, Greg <>, "'michael hunter'" <>, "'Birding-aus'" <>
Subject: Whats in a name
From: Denise Goodfellow <>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:51:56 +0930
I am glad you like it. I think it's terrific.  I also like Djut djut (Brown
Falcon).  And what about Kolariwikwik for wading birds?

On 26/7/07 4:25 PM, "Gregory Little" <> wrote:

> Gooday birders
> Now that I have a bit of the history of this birds name I am happy to
> call it "Djagana". I was proud of the word Jabiru until I was informed
> that it is not even indigenous and is also applied to overseas birds.
> Black-necked Stork, while descriptive is too much of a mouthful. Djagana
> sounds great.
> Greg Little
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> Most of my American birding clients call the bird Jabiru.  Years ago I
> recommended Djagana (Kunwinjku), or Australasian Jabiru.  So Greg, how
> about
> the former?  At least my Indigenous relatives in the Top End will feel
> they're at long last getting some sort of recognition!
> Denise
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> On 26/7/07 3:01 PM, "Greg" <> wrote:
>> As I am presently putting the finishing touches to my PhD thesis on
> the
>> Black-necked Stork I had been avoiding the temptation to enter the
> naming
>> debate but as the stork's name has been raised (AGAIN!!) I feel I must
>> reply.
>> Michael you are able to call the Black-necked Stork "Jabiru' or even
>> 'Policemanbird' if you like but please, when communicating with
> others,
>> particularly those learning the 'accepted common names', don't create
> more
>> confusion than is already the case.
>> The people who imposed 'Black-necked Stork' on us are no longer with
> us so
>> it is no point blaming current 'authorities'.  The name 'Black-necked
> Stork'
>> has been applied to the species in India since at least 1890 (Hume
> 1890) and
>> in Australia at least 1900 (Campbell 1900).
>> I agree that the name is not popular but to call our bird 'Jabiru' is
> akin
>> to calling our Emu an 'Ostrich'.  Because Black-necked Stork is an
> unwieldy
>> word with little colour I recommended that our birds (Australia and
> New
>> Guinea) be called the 'Satin Stork' when the species is finally split
> from
>> the Asian birds and this name has been accepted by Bird Australia.  It
> won't
>> be
>> happening in the upcoming Christidis and Boles as more genetic work is
>> required but initial results indicate that there are two species.
>> Without wanting to be rude (to the Jabiru) it is not that similar to
> our
>> stork and is certainly not as beautiful.  Our birds are closer to the
>> Saddlebill Stork of South Africa so maybe we should call our birds
>> 'Australian Saddlebills' - no, just joking!!!
>> Greg Clancy

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